good point if they use inv cta over cube bo

This post was edited by Tails chao on Jan 1 2012 08:33pm

When a person records a nice fraps to post
They of course only post the matches that they play exceptionally in

And with all due respect, those barbs were not playing the same that barbs play in ft5 wagers worth 200fg or more
Or the way a #1 ranked BvC would play if he was defending a #1 rank in a world ladder
Wager sharkers play l8zy as hell, they corner and take cover and force the zons BO out
Same with people defending #1 ranks
They make you approach them while they are under cover and they never stay to ww around aimlessly after a failed stomp (as the barbs in this video)
All good barbarians against lethal amas, tele in ww for a very fucking short distance and then teleport away immediately for a re-approach
They know that lingering too long often results in getting half your health slammed by lightning fury
Honestly these barbarians in this video were not dueling that well vs this amazon

I am sure this amazon is a fantastic duelist in this video
But this video is a complilation of how many duels to achieve a handful of flawless runs?
A compliation of the most kick ass results of this guy's runs vs different barbarians

Of course any ama duelist has their runs where a barbarian doesn't even touch them due to dodge and block
For all purposes and intentions, I myself could throw on a 0% DR setup and duel multiple different barbarians
Until I had a few good runs to record where dodging and blocking provided flawless victories, people on east see me do this all the time, it happens
I could claim that DR% isn't required at all if you know how to move right
But what happens when that barbarian does hit you with only 35% DR?
The result is something much nastier than if you would have been wearing 50% DR

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Jan 1 2012 08:53pm

Then Ber your Stormshield and trade 7% DR for damage on Bow side against melee.

Current Compilation



Habakkuk's Bow & Fury Zva Guide V1.13d = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=59891830&f=87
Jesper's Zon Guide 1.13 = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=49099908&f=87
Darken99’s PvP .13 Tele Javazon (Legit) = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=59844817&f=87
~Damach Zon Guide~ = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=48647218&f=87

Claw Basics = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=56809861&f=87&o=0
Bui’s Ghost Assassin Guide = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=56564966
TienJe's Ghost Assassin Guide v2.0 = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=17012798&f=87
Bui’s Hybrid Assassin Guide = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=32512252
Legend's Trapper Guide = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=52429424&f=87
1.12 PvP/TvT Trapsin Guide = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=27921027&f=87

Ling's Barb Versus Caster Guide V1.2 = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=19084076&f=87
Tudey's 1.12 Balanced Barbarian vs. Caster Guide = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=51732302&f=87
Public Barb Versus Barb Guide By Math = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=36256493&f=87

Sharkbites Rabies/fury Guide. -1.12 = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=22250649&f=87
Kakashi_1337's Windy Druid Guide = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=56991454&f=87
1.13 Elemental Vita Druid Guide = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=50605097&f=87&o=0

Bui’s Poison and Bone Necromancer Guide = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=45899093
Erik's Pvp Bone Mancer Guide = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=56683184&f=87
Godest's Guide To The Poison Nova Necro V2.0 = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=54808436&f=87
Summoner Guide 1.13 = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=48460552&f=87

Bui’s Vindicator/Templar Paladin Guide = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=32974541
The Pvp Hammerdin Guide = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=14125090&f=87
Tienje & Halo273's Mage Paladin Guide V1.2 = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=22398328
Adjutant's Pvp Aura/smite Hybrid = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=13524163&f=87
The Zealot = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=32187727&f=87
Marvel's Tele Smiter Guide = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=36888250&f=87

V1.13 Gm Es Hybrid Blizzard Sorceress = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=55990969&f=87
DOH's SvS Lightning sorc Guide = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=38431148&p=
The 95es Fire Sorc Guid (full Precast Or Not) = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21242645&f=87
Dual Dream Enchantress Sorc = http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=34292775&f=87


Still ISO versions of these guides with better PvP strategy sections:

* Auradin
* Hammerdin
* FBer
* Blizzer

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Jan 2 2012 02:01am

Don't bother with the auradin, it really isn't a viable build.

The rest are easily build on your own. Especially hammerdins.

I aint stupid, ofc i know how it boost the ama statwise and adds ias and res etc. But i mean how they play, and i played vs alot east and west amas on d2pk myself (where they also had bb on the EU server. And where the EU ama played without bb on the US server)

There is no doubt the best zons are from EU and that is Lam3r and Jesper, however marvel. was also pretty nice.





And to this, Dungo builds can also be rather good, but claiming u wont win a top druid is laughable... druid wont stand a single chance vs a decent bower!

This post was edited by 3Dimensional on Jan 2 2012 04:19am

There are many new active duelists who are just as good if not better than the older legends
But it's far too late into diablo 2 for them to ever gain recognition

And druids not standing a chance again good bowers?
You're crazy oO
*Very good* druids are one of the hardest things for a bowa due to summon recover and fast recasts
Modern pvp also incorporates alot of l8zy play with the abuse of life reping Druids excel at this

I guarantee the most difficult top 3 challenges for any Bowa (considering really good players are using these builds) are:

* Bone Nec
* Wind Druid
* Ghost

In that order

Druid is not hard as a bow, and i aint crazy. If the druid rely on life repl in some cornor etc. it will be a never ending duel. But its like that with alot of chars if all you do is whoring and repl in a cornor.

And i doubt the new pvpers are better then they guys who have played bower for MANY MANY years

But sure its possible.

The list with the hardest duels as bow is:

Bone Nec
Bva

This post was edited by 3Dimensional on Jan 2 2012 04:35am

BvA is very easy to kill for experienced Amazons
Sure they tank alot but they can't hit for shit with a shield on
Withought the dual wielding IAS it just isn't enough to get under Amazon frames to hit really hit her
With enough Javelin quantity, you'll bring a BvA down easily
It'l just be an obnoxiously long and drawn out ft5

Now this stuff about Druids being easy is just not true
Generally Amazon vs Druid = balanced match up
But amazing Druids are another story entirely
When a Druid is smart enough to maintain his summon recast as priority #1
You'll have a very very difficult time even hitting the Druid to begin with
Here is how the good druids do it:

* On their approach, they never fully approach unless they can get there with all summons up
* If summons drop before they get to you, they teleport away and resummon and keep making re-approaches until they can get to you with all summons up
* When they do get to you, they don't telestomp all the time like general druids would. They bluff stomp with no attack
* Bluff stomping forces the zon to WSG away in the event that it may be a real stomp (you can't afford to get hit by tornados)
* During the bluff stomp, when the zon tries to WSG away they just double tele right off the top of you and right in front of where the zon is trying to go
* They toss a few haymakaer tornados in random directions and then teleport away before the zon can gain it's composure for an attack pattern
* Then re-approach again, beginning from step one

Over the course of time, the zon's BO wears out along with arrows and javelin quantity
Eventually the random haymaker tornados will hit you, it happens due to the random directional patterns of tornados
Druids that REALLY WANT TO WIN, will use these tactics where they are never on screen longer than a second at a time
It's all about recasting those summons, if he can keep them up, you're going to lose
Because arrows run out, Bears and Wolves do not


If you don't understand this
You've clearly never fought a good druid who was defending his #1 rank in a world ladder
Or a good druid who really wanted to win a 200 fg wager duel

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Jan 2 2012 06:55am

I wrote answers

This post was edited by 3Dimensional on Jan 2 2012 07:17am