Quote (Black XistenZ @ 9 Oct 2019 19:02)
your claim was that
the fact that trump was able to get elected against the overwhelming elite consensus debunks this claim, no matter if trump is himself a member of the plutocracy or not.
a significant chunk of the american people wanted trump, the overwhelming majority of elites and plutcrats wanted to prevent trump, we still got trump in the end. the 46% of the american people who wanted or at least preferred Trump did make their voices heard.
this shows that the oligarchy/plutocracy that the US allegedly is is a very imperfect one. rich people have a disproportionate amount of power, and poor people a disproportionately low amount of it, yes. but the rich in the US still have to fear the poor, they still have to fear elections from time to time, their control can still slip at any moment. the US is still a working democracy, no matter how much you folks from the commie parade try to characterize it as a right-wing dystopia.
so, by your logic, one is only free if one has no rights? oO
at the end of the day, outside of an anarchistic society, freedom can only be enjoyed if fundamental rights are protected by the government. free speech, property rights, due process, and so on.
these rights are a necessary but not sufficient condition for freedom. slaves who dont enjoy these rights cannot possibly be free, hence, my initial Goethe quote is not a contradiction.
plaguefear says there is zero due process in America and that anyone in jail is the same as a concentration camp; while skinned says you are only free if you have no rights
this is why politicians backed by anti-Amerian lecherous, avaricious, pale pasty privileged lefties like these two chuckle-brothers end up being major losersThis post was edited by excellence on Oct 9 2019 06:12pm