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Apr 12 2012 07:58am
The problem is in these " melee " ladders they only seem to allow certain charcters to compete, e.g. here ( http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=55811345&f=147 ) we have :

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The classes allowed are: Zeal paladin, Jab amazon, Concentration barbarian and Fury druid.


I dont think any bear character would even be allowed in.

Maybe your not talking about ladders tho, and just fun melee vs melee duels, but these just happen very rarely ^

This post was edited by Jeebus666 on Apr 12 2012 07:59am
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Apr 12 2012 10:51am
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You guys are misunderstanding the difference between Amazons WSGing and (other characters WSGing)


The point of why it works on a melee zon, incorporates a couple aspects:
* Block shields need to be on both weapon switches (keep a cube BO setup in inv)
* Always have R pushed and walk

If you have equal max block setups on both weapon switches, when you WSG and walk out of melee (this works great with dodge/evasion +max block)
You like, cannot fucking hit a zon with this parameters if it can WSG well
WSG also resets dodge animations, so essentially you are repositioning quickly to attempt to regain control of the melee
It does absolutely nothing but help you escape stun
No penalties, no negatives, all about regaining upper hand as the attacker, not the stunned defender
It doesn't lower defense, doesn't lower block, doesn't expose any weakness

The melee zons ace in the hole, is it's ability to WSG away for reposition with a 75% block rate and 65% evasion
The WSGing allows you to surpass block/dodge animations and reposition as you wish


If you guys can't understand this, then you need to go refer back to my waka waka picture and look at it for awhile, ty


You do realise rw isn't allowed in melee, right? I thought you meant trying to wsg jab in one spot like a moron lol.
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Apr 13 2012 07:45am
Bearzon guide removed
Cool guide but probably shouldn't be in here by my own standard ><


Current Compilation:

Habakkuk's Bow & Fury ZvA Guide V1.13d
Jesper's Zon Guide 1.13
Arelax’s Non-Ladder ZvZ Bowazon Guide
Darken99’s PvP .13 Tele Javazon (Legit)
~Damach Zon Guide~
Hackzone’s 1.13 Tri-hybrid Pv@ll Amazon Guide

Claw Basics
Bui’s Ghost Assassin Guide
TienJe's Ghost Assassin Guide v2.0
Bui’s Hybrid Assassin Guide
Legend's Trapper Guide
1.12 PvP/TvT Trapsin Guide
Testic's PvP Kicksin Guide

Ling's Barb Versus Caster Guide V1.2
Luis' Bvc Guide
Public Barb Versus Barb Guide By Math

Sharkbites Rabies/fury Guide. -1.12
1.12 PvP 163/99 & maxblock elemental druid V. 3.0
1.13 Elemental Vita Druid Guide

Bui’s Poison and Bone Necromancer Guide
Erik's Pvp Bone Mancer Guide
Godest's Guide To The Poison Nova Necro V2.0
Summoner Guide 1.13

Bui’s Vindicator/Templar Paladin Guide
The Pvp Hammerdin Guide
Pvp Mage Guide > By Jeebus666
1.13 Elemental Auras Guide
The Zealot
Marvel's Tele Smiter Guide

V1.13 Gm Es Hybrid Blizzard Sorceress
DOH's SvS Lightning sorc Guide
Fireball Sorceress With Energy Shield
Dual Dream Enchantress Sorc



Here is the criteria for (Is it a Mainstream Guide?):

* Is it based around d2jsp GM ruling? - If not, it isnt' mainstream
* Is it a build that you would show up to a 500fg blind wager with? - If not, it isn't mainstream
* Is it a well laid out guide that is easy to understand and is it accurate? - If not, it doesn't need to be posted here
* Are the PvP Strategy sections complete and informative in a comprehensive format? - If not, it doesn't need to be posted here

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Apr 16 2012 02:15am
Oh I forgot, there is a new interesting guide with some holes in strategy, but that can be found on other similar ones, the link is : http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=61560176&f=87
Very solid build and explanations.
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Apr 16 2012 12:38pm
Quote (monSt4r @ 16 Apr 2012 09:15)
Oh I forgot, there is a new interesting guide with some holes in strategy, but that can be found on other similar ones, the link is : http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=61560176&f=87
Very solid build and explanations.


the build by itself isnt better until you realize that the actual reason to bump dex should be to be able to wear a widowmaker as an optional swap set along with the maingear which the guide does not aim on.
The guide by itself contains a build that isnt performing better than the azn masta build in any matchup other than mirror.
it actually does worse.

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the build by itself isnt better until you realize that the actual reason to bump dex should be to be able to wear a widowmaker as an optional swap set along with the maingear which the guide does not aim on.
The guide by itself contains a build that isnt performing better than the azn masta build in any matchup other than mirror.
it actually does worse.


I think pumping some dex on a wwsins isn't a bad idea (particularly for a 102 build where you lack a lot of AR in the first place). Unlike most other characters where str/dex aren't nearly as significant as vita, %damage adds a ton for wwsins and the +ar is a decent sum considering the large ar bonus claw mastery and dclaw give. Just don't try pure dex though, that fails lol.
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Apr 16 2012 12:44pm
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I think pumping some dex on a wwsins isn't a bad idea (particularly for a 102 build where you lack a lot of AR in the first place). Unlike most other characters where str/dex aren't nearly as significant as vita, %damage adds a ton for wwsins and the +ar is a decent sum considering the large ar bonus claw mastery and dclaw give. Just don't try pure dex though, that fails lol.


This sounds like experience talking :P
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Apr 16 2012 12:44pm
Quote (Jeebus666 @ 16 Apr 2012 19:44)
This sounds like experience talking :P


Wat is experience?... This is SnG, theorycraft or gtfo.
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Apr 16 2012 12:45pm
Quote (MoXeR @ Apr 16 2012 06:38pm)
the build by itself isnt better until you realize that the actual reason to bump dex should be to be able to wear a widowmaker as an optional swap set along with the maingear.
The guide by itself contains a build that isnt performing better than the azn masta build in any matchup other than mirror.
it actually does worse.


Naaah, it mentions str bug, and gives out nice opinions and explanations in short and interesting form. And in what matchup is it really worse ?
mirror - better
casters - who gives a fuck
necro - extra damage could come in handy instead of teeth tanking ability.
Paladin - extra ar is better than some extra almost meaningless life. Also azen claims he tanks 3 hammers and has 3 extra life. Well great, you need 100k fg to tank 1 more hammer, and then lvl 1 foh kills you anyways. Not really ideal.
Barbarian - I guess whatever goes here right ?

I don't really see this as worse in every matchup. If he would write some strategy and video section it would be top of the pops.
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Apr 16 2012 12:47pm
But... This is Habakkuk22 thread, if you haven't tested under the intense pressure of wager duels --> gtfo
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