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#631
Mar 22 2012 06:34pm
Quote (young2093 @ Mar 22 2012 08:33pm)
you're contradicting the fuck out of yourself.

"it does not affect ww fpa...."

2 seconds later in edit

"it may affect fpa"

LOL


Wasn't a contradiction, it was me correcting myself

I admit I'm not entirely sure whether it affect fpa, but it certainly doesn't lower dps

This post was edited by Voyaging on Mar 22 2012 06:34pm
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#632
Mar 22 2012 06:35pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Mar 23 2012 12:26am)
How much more can tudey be wrong about? I agree CBF is immportant for running speed, but it does NOT affect ww fpa....

e/ it may affect fpa, not 100% sure, but it in turn decreases movement speed resulting in null change in dps


Hahahaha,yeeessss,he learned. Finally questioned and started searching for logical reasoning.
On this information, I also did not know if true,check that also while cheching :)
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#633
Mar 22 2012 06:35pm
Quote (monSt4r @ Mar 22 2012 08:35pm)
Hahahaha,yeeessss,he learned. Finally questioned and started searching for logical reasoning.
On this information, I also did not know if true,check that also while cheching :)


Awaiting Habakkuk's results.
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#634
Mar 22 2012 06:44pm
Quote (young2093 @ 22 Mar 2012 19:33)
you're contradicting the fuck out of yourself.

"it does not affect ww fpa...."

2 seconds later in edit

"it may affect fpa"

LOL


I think he was just clarifying. I believe he just second guessed himself when talking about it affecting the fpa.

Speaking of which, I don't think it affects whirl's fpa, but I think it affects how fast you move when you whirl.
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#635
Mar 22 2012 07:06pm
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Mar 22 2012 07:46pm)
I have a level 80 barb who's been rushed last night

It'l be geared by the end of the night tonight and I'll be doing this test myself

Already told you guys, expect accurate results by tommorow at the latest



Only thing I'd appreciate though, is if anyone has an EDC to lend
It's quite a pain in the ass to find this late into D2
Sort of like looking for a P Ethereal Lacerator
No one mules shit like this

Or if anyone could help toss some lamo free gear, would be much appreciated, seeing as how this is being put together for the purpose of this threadIt's going to need:


* Any GriefZ, Any BeastZ, Any Ethereal Death Cleaver
* Any Arreats
* Any Enigma
* Arach or Dungo
* Trang Gloves / Drac (we won't be using drac for tests, obv reasons)
* Gore Rider and War Trav
* Highlord's
* Raven
* FCR Ring, be nice if it added dmg


He'll need a random torch//anii
and some random GCs with a lame ass amount of +max


It won't be a perfect barb but it will be an adequate test for the general pubber






Just found an Ethereal Death Cleaver *finally*

Testing will be done soon
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#636
Mar 22 2012 08:59pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Mar 22 2012 08:35pm)
Awaiting Habakkuk's results.


Long story short, after running 5 sets for each weapon, each set with 20 strikes for each weapon
On a Barb with this gear:
* Arreats
* Enigma
* Dungo
* Trang
* Gores/Trav (Gores for GriefZ, Trav for EDC)
* Highlord's
* Raven
* +STR Melee Dmg Ring
* Torch/Anni, random GCs with anywhere from +5 max to +10 max

The Barb had minimal STR for gear and a enough DEX for max block, rest into VITA
We actually ended up using a level 94 Barbarian for this test
All strikes used, were Standard
20 Axe Mastery


The ultimate result is this:

GriefZ's total damage: 125,400

EDC's total damage: 84,790


If one were using an Ethereal Death Cleaver and then equiped a GriefZ
One would notice a 40.6% increase in their damage output

GriefZ skunks the Ethereal Death Cleaver, by a long shot










Current Compilation:

Habakkuk's Bow & Fury ZvA Guide V1.13d
Jesper's Zon Guide 1.13
Arelax’s Non-Ladder ZvZ Bowazon Guide
Darken99’s PvP .13 Tele Javazon (Legit)
~Damach Zon Guide~
Hackzone’s 1.13 Tri-hybrid Pv@ll Amazon Guide

Claw Basics
Bui’s Ghost Assassin Guide
TienJe's Ghost Assassin Guide v2.0
Bui’s Hybrid Assassin Guide
Legend's Trapper Guide
1.12 PvP/TvT Trapsin Guide
Testic's PvP Kicksin Guide

Ling's Barb Versus Caster Guide V1.2
Luis' Bvc Guide
Public Barb Versus Barb Guide By Math

Sharkbites Rabies/fury Guide. -1.12
1.12 PvP 163/99 & maxblock elemental druid V. 3.0
1.13 Elemental Vita Druid Guide

Bui’s Poison and Bone Necromancer Guide
Erik's Pvp Bone Mancer Guide
Godest's Guide To The Poison Nova Necro V2.0
Summoner Guide 1.13

Bui’s Vindicator/Templar Paladin Guide
The Pvp Hammerdin Guide
Tienje & Halo273's Mage Paladin Guide V1.2
1.13 Elemental Auras Guide
The Zealot
Marvel's Tele Smiter Guide

V1.13 Gm Es Hybrid Blizzard Sorceress
DOH's SvS Lightning sorc Guide
Fireball Sorceress With Energy Shield
Dual Dream Enchantress Sorc

Still could use:
* Blizz guide with better PvP strats
* Shape Shifting Bear Guide

Please post if you have any input, leads or links to other guides
It is much appreciated, thank you

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Mar 22 2012 09:05pm
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#637
Mar 22 2012 09:04pm
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Mar 22 2012 09:59pm)
Long story short, after running 5 sets for each weapon, each set with 20 strikes for each weapon
On a Barb with this gear:
* Arreats
* Enigma
* Dungo
* Trang
* Gores/Trav (Gores for GriefZ, Trav for EDC)
* Highlord's
* Raven
* +STR Melee Dmg Ring
* Torch/Anni, random GCs with anywhere from +5 max to +10 max

The Barb had minimal STR for gear and a enough DEX for max block, rest into VITA
We actually ended up using a level 94 Barbarian for this test
All strikes used, were Standard
20 Axe Mastery


The ultimate result is this:

GriefZ's total damage: 125,400

EDC's total damage: 84,790


If one were using an Ethereal Death Cleaver and then equiped a GriefZ
One would notice a 40.6% increase in their damage output

GriefZ skunks the Ethereal Death Cleaver, by a long shot










Current Compilation:

Habakkuk's Bow & Fury ZvA Guide V1.13d
Jesper's Zon Guide 1.13
Arelax’s Non-Ladder ZvZ Bowazon Guide
Darken99’s PvP .13 Tele Javazon (Legit)
~Damach Zon Guide~
Hackzone’s 1.13 Tri-hybrid Pv@ll Amazon Guide

Claw Basics
Bui’s Ghost Assassin Guide
TienJe's Ghost Assassin Guide v2.0
Bui’s Hybrid Assassin Guide
Legend's Trapper Guide
1.12 PvP/TvT Trapsin Guide
Testic's PvP Kicksin Guide

Ling's Barb Versus Caster Guide V1.2
Luis' Bvc Guide
Public Barb Versus Barb Guide By Math

Sharkbites Rabies/fury Guide. -1.12
1.12 PvP 163/99 & maxblock elemental druid V. 3.0
1.13 Elemental Vita Druid Guide

Bui’s Poison and Bone Necromancer Guide
Erik's Pvp Bone Mancer Guide
Godest's Guide To The Poison Nova Necro V2.0
Summoner Guide 1.13

Bui’s Vindicator/Templar Paladin Guide
The Pvp Hammerdin Guide
Tienje & Halo273's Mage Paladin Guide V1.2
1.13 Elemental Auras Guide
The Zealot
Marvel's Tele Smiter Guide

V1.13 Gm Es Hybrid Blizzard Sorceress
DOH's SvS Lightning sorc Guide
Fireball Sorceress With Energy Shield
Dual Dream Enchantress Sorc

Still could use:
* Blizz guide with better PvP strats
* Shape Shifting Bear Guide

Please post if you have any input, leads or links to other guides
It is much appreciated, thank you


This ^ :D
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#638
Mar 22 2012 09:07pm
horrible test with too many variables.
anyway, griefz >
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#639
Mar 22 2012 09:11pm
Quote (young2093 @ Mar 22 2012 11:07pm)
horrible test with too many variables.
anyway, griefz >


Too many variables?
It was striking a no DR% character, that also had no shield equiped
And I think 100x strikes from each weapon is clearly enough to yeild a mathematically solid result


Any further arguement on this is simply a troll

I will reiterate my original statement: There are very strong and *noticable* reasons why everyone uses GriefZ + BeastZ on their BvC

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Mar 22 2012 09:12pm
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#640
Mar 22 2012 09:16pm
Quote (young2093 @ Mar 22 2012 11:07pm)
horrible test with too many variables.
anyway, griefz >


100x strikes balance it out, and even if there are variables, the difference is far too significant for anyone in their right mind to consider EDC better.

Thanks for the testing Habakkuk :)
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