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Mar 13 2012 11:33am
Quote (Jeebus666 @ Mar 13 2012 12:17pm)
Hmm...

In his profile ( http://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?i=292107 ) you'll find a barb vs necro video, that I believe he made to demonstrate the balanced build in action. Watch the vid and then reassess your opinion on its effectiveness.



Nice video
But dueling a vita nec is no comparisson imo
And this is not mathematics, it is a video


As i said, I will get a buddy with a GriefZ and an EDC
And we will run a very thorough in-game test of damage strings and post this
Just like we did with the ED/+wholenumber jewels
Guarantee you that the results will be in the favor of the GriefZ


Hey if I'm wrong, I'll admit it
But every dangerous barb I've ever dueled was using Grief/Beast
And every shitty barb I've dueled was using some alternative like EBoTDZ/Beast or EDC/Beast
Of course skill factors into this (as in the video) but we aren't discussing skill factor, we are discussing which weapon hits harder, mathematically

Besides, if EDC was a superior choice
Everyone would recognize it early because everyone uses it at ladder resets
Why pay UBER fg for a 400 griefz when EDC is working better?

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Mar 13 2012 11:40am
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Mar 13 2012 11:56am
they have to be trolling... its honestly not worth even arguing lol
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Mar 13 2012 11:57am
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Mar 13 2012 06:33pm)
Nice video
But dueling a vita nec is no comparisson imo
And this is not mathematics, it is a video


As i said, I will get a buddy with a GriefZ and an EDC
And we will run a very thorough in-game test of damage strings and post this
Just like we did with the ED/+wholenumber jewels
Guarantee you that the results will be in the favor of the GriefZ


Hey if I'm wrong, I'll admit it
But every dangerous barb I've ever dueled was using Grief/Beast
And every shitty barb I've dueled was using some alternative like EBoTDZ/Beast or EDC/Beast
Of course skill factors into this (as in the video) but we aren't discussing skill factor, we are discussing which weapon hits harder, mathematically

Besides, if EDC was a superior choice
Everyone would recognize it early because everyone uses it at ladder resets
Why pay UBER fg for a 400 griefz when EDC is working better?


A video isn't mathematics, true but in the video you can see the sick damage he achieves with this build.

Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Mar 13 2012 06:33pm)

Besides, if EDC was a superior choice
Everyone would recognize it early because everyone uses it at ladder resets
Why pay UBER fg for a 400 griefz when EDC is working better?


Thats obvious, people who dont understand mathematics and have more fg than sense.

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Mar 13 2012 11:58am
Quote (GoHuskers @ Mar 13 2012 06:56pm)
they have to be trolling... its honestly not worth even arguing lol


Yes, argueing against the top notch pvp players rly isn't worth it.
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Mar 13 2012 11:59am
Quote (Razor @ Mar 13 2012 12:58pm)
Yes, argueing against the top notch pvp players rly isn't worth it.


i can throw on tals beat 95% of sorcs svs, that doesnt make it a superior set up

at least try and use incorrect math if you want to make the argument
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Mar 14 2012 02:12am
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ 13 Mar 2012 17:33)
As i said, I will get a buddy with a GriefZ and an EDC
And we will run a very thorough in-game test of damage strings and post this
Just like we did with the ED/+wholenumber jewels
Guarantee you that the results will be in the favor of the GriefZ


As a barb player, I'm interested in this result.

If you want I can do some testing later today and show my findings, but lmk what gear I should be using.

* I dont have any of these private realms installed btw, and I dont think I have the funds to get both setupss on bnet.

So I was planning to use open bnet for testung if thats ok with you guys

This post was edited by farloo on Mar 14 2012 02:31am
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Mar 14 2012 02:32am
Quote (farloo @ Mar 14 2012 03:12am)
As a barb player, I'm interested in this result.

If you want I can do some testing later today and show my findings, but lmk what gear I should be using.


They are clearly trying to troll for the sake of trolling a running gag :P

But if you want to help do this to lay the math down, just use a general pvp barb setup, nothing strange
Most important part of the gear setup is that you wear Highlord's Amulet and Gore Rider for optimal chance of Deadly Strike
Look in any of the BvC guides above and they suggest all the same types of gears to use for a general outfit
Important part of the test, is how to run the test:
* Get a buddy who also has a high life, 50% DR, no blocking barb
* Run damage string tests against this barb, write down on a piece of paper (hand notes) of how much damage every individual standard strike *melee* deals
* Hit him a good 20 times with Eth Death Cleaver and then switch and hit him a good 20 times with GriefZ
* Come and post in this thread the individual damage results of each strike in each weapons damage string and then the total damage for each weapons test
* Do not use whirlwind, use standard strikes only with the primary weapons, EDC ad then Griefz

Would look something like this:
Weapon #1
200
400
300
200
total: 1100



And I believe you to be a sadaam duplicate btw
In more ways than one

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Mar 14 2012 02:33am
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Mar 14 2012 02:39am
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ 14 Mar 2012 08:32)
They are clearly trying to troll for the sake of trolling a running gag :P

But if you want to help do this to lay the math down, just use a general pvp barb setup, nothing strange
Most important part of the gear setup is that you wear Highlord's Amulet and Gore Rider for optimal chance of Deadly Strike
Look in any of the BvC guides above and they suggest all the same types of gears to use for a general outfit
Important part of the test, is how to run the test:
* Get a buddy who also has a high life, 50% DR, no blocking barb
* Run damage string tests against this barb, write down on a piece of paper (hand notes) of how much damage every individual standard strike *melee* deals
* Hit him a good 20 times with Eth Death Cleaver and then switch and hit him a good 20 times with GriefZ
* Come and post in this thread the individual damage results of each strike in each weapons damage string and then the total damage for each weapons test
* Do not use whirlwind, use standard strikes only with the primary weapons, EDC ad then Griefz

Would look something like this:
Weapon #1
200
400
300
200
total: 1100



And I believe you to be a sadaam duplicate btw
In more ways than one


Ok but, in the other guide it says to use a lot of strength as this increases damage?

How much strength exactly should I use or does it not matter? And the gear I was thinking was something like:

Arreats
enigma
beast
EDC/Grief
arach
2 ravens
highlords
trangs

full 3 20 20 charms torch anni, is that ok?
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Mar 14 2012 02:41am
Quote (farloo @ Mar 14 2012 03:39am)
Ok but, in the other guide it says to use a lot of strength as this increases damage?

How much strength exactly should I use or does it not matter? And the gear I was thinking was something like:

Arreats
enigma
beast
EDC/Grief
arach
2 ravens
highlords
trangs

full 3 20 20 charms torch anni, is that ok?


This works great
Just make sure you do have 20 base Axe Mastery and not an odd variant build

Use a STR bonus as though you were making him full Vita for pvp purposes
You know, reasonabley low, to maximize vita output
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