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Mar 11 2020 03:46pm
Pains me as a Bernie bro to post this, but obligatory post:

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Mar 11 2020 03:59pm
Another hilarious story
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Mar 11 2020 04:37pm
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lol, MSM is already starting to court sanders supporters. i mean sure, it's basically over, but still...

that said, i don't think that anyone who supported sanders is stupid enough to expect biden's donors to allow him any meaningful change. they should really focus on the 'lesser evil' message imo - it's the strongest and the most truthful one imo...
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Mar 11 2020 04:52pm
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lol, MSM is already starting to court sanders supporters. i mean sure, it's basically over, but still...

that said, i don't think that anyone who supported sanders is stupid enough to expect biden's donors to allow him any meaningful change. they should really focus on the 'lesser evil' message imo - it's the strongest and the most truthful one imo...


Sure... the Bernie supporter who wrote a column a week or so ago arguing for his nomination has no credibility here.

Biden's campaign was basically dead a few weeks ago. Low on cash. In the past week he's won in states where he didn't even have a ground presence.

But hey, keep pretending politics isn't determined by voters. I guess that's the only play when the grassroots socialist movement failed for the second time.
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Mar 11 2020 05:01pm
Quote (fender @ Mar 11 2020 06:37pm)
lol, MSM is already starting to court sanders supporters. i mean sure, it's basically over, but still...

that said, i don't think that anyone who supported sanders is stupid enough to expect biden's donors to allow him any meaningful change. they should really focus on the 'lesser evil' message imo - it's the strongest and the most truthful one imo...


Has nothing to do with MSM lol... this always happens when one candidate starts to pull ahead. They need to consolidate.

Quite frankly Sanders supporters need to get over it. The ones who say they won't support Biden if he is the nomination are the equivalent to Trump supporters IMO. If a Bernie Sanders supporter really believed his message, then they would vote Dem no matter what. With Biden as prez, there is at least a chance of progressive movement. Dems need to control the Senate and keep the House as well if they want to do anything. They need to rally around Biden.
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Mar 11 2020 05:56pm
Quote (fender @ 11 Mar 2020 23:37)
lol, MSM is already starting to court sanders supporters. i mean sure, it's basically over, but still...

that said, i don't think that anyone who supported sanders is stupid enough to expect biden's donors to allow him any meaningful change. they should really focus on the 'lesser evil' message imo - it's the strongest and the most truthful one imo...


I was thinking about "A Do Nothing is better than a Wrongdoing" :lol:
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Sure... the Bernie supporter who wrote a column a week or so ago arguing for his nomination has no credibility here.

Biden's campaign was basically dead a few weeks ago. Low on cash. In the past week he's won in states where he didn't even have a ground presence.

But hey, keep pretending politics isn't determined by voters. I guess that's the only play when the grassroots socialist movement failed for the second time.


i'm not pretending politics isn't determined by voters, i'm saying that there have been considerable efforts to manipulate voters to support the establishment candidate - that's a massive difference.
at the end of the day, it IS the voters, hence my conclusion that americans deserve what they are (not) getting. that said, you'd be fooling yourself if you believed the average voter was even remotely as interested or informed as we are, keeping up with political news and processes on a nearly daily basis. main stream media, endoresements, and party propaganda still has a considerable influence, and it's hardly a secret where their bias is...
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Mar 11 2020 06:06pm
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i'm not pretending politics isn't determined by voters, i'm saying that there have been considerable efforts to manipulate voters to support the establishment candidate - that's a massive difference.
at the end of the day, it IS the voters, hence my conclusion that americans deserve what they are (not) getting. that said, you'd be fooling yourself if you believed the average voter was even remotely as interested or informed as we are, keeping up with political news and processes on a nearly daily basis. main stream media, endoresements, and party propaganda still has a considerable influence, and it's hardly a secret where their bias is...


Manipulate how? Why are the endorsements of politicians who think Bernie is too radical and would lose not legitimate? Why is the first state with a significant African-American vote choosing Biden not legitimate? The primary process starts with a couple states without significant minority populations, which isn't representative of the Democratic party.

Endorsements aren't dirty politics... they're just politics. If Bernie can't manage to win some important people over, why should we believe he could pass significant legislation?
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Mar 11 2020 06:17pm
Quote (IceMage @ 12 Mar 2020 01:06)
Manipulate how? Why are the endorsements of politicians who think Bernie is too radical and would lose not legitimate? Why is the first state with a significant African-American vote choosing Biden not legitimate? The primary process starts with a couple states without significant minority populations, which isn't representative of the Democratic party.

Endorsements aren't dirty politics... they're just politics. If Bernie can't manage to win some important people over, why should we believe he could pass significant legislation?


where do you see me saying any of that is 'illegitimate'? the timing of the endorsements (klob dropping out before her homestate despite previously mentioning she wouldn't do that / butt dropping out just hours after publicly stating he wouldn't) suggests some major manipulation behind the scenes. is that illegal? no, of course not. but is it manipulative and dirty? you know that as well as me. suggesting the decisions of klob, butt, beta, and kamala were just 'principled' and 'natural' in their timing and substance is pretty fucking gullible...
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