Quote (IceMage @ Dec 11 2019 10:43am)

There's always accusations in the media... standard policy is for DOJ to not talk about ongoing investigations. And this wasn't swatting down an accusation, it was basically claiming that wrongdoing occurred related to the opening of Crossfire Hurricane, without any evidence presented. It seems like a nakedly political way to blunt the IG report's impact on the endless conspiracy theories.

1. The fact is that there were two ongoing investigations during the campaign into Hillary... and we knew about them during the campaign. McCabe authorized releasing information to the media regarding the Clinton Foundation case. We didn't know about the Russia investigation during the campaign.
2. Can you quote the part of the article where the investigation got leaked?
3. I don't see how this contradicts what I said. Trump wasn't being investigated until after he fired Comey.

Comey wrote memos because Trump is a pathological liar. It was wise for him and others involved in this stuff to write memos.



So they were debating whether to continue the meritless investigation? They considered closing it two weeks after opening?

They gave their reasons under oath as to what the text meant, and it's a much more reasonable explanation than what you've managed to theorize here.

Still waiting on an answer though... how was the investigation a fail safe? Play it out for us... cause the investigation absolved Trump and his campaign of conspiring and Trump is still in the White House. I've been told his presidency has been super successful.

Quote (tagged4nothing @ Dec 11 2019 11:28am)

Mueller came out against Buzzfeeds fake news. Durham came out against an article that assumed his opinions on the matter. since he is leading an on-going investigation, he is still building his evidence.

1. McCabe "authorize" "leaking". again, this itself is wrong, but it wasn't done to destroy Clinton. it was done to save face because McCabe was also hiding information that other agents believed to be important to the first Clinton investigation. (and that info was coming out publicly already through wikileaks)
2. the people around Trump's campaign were being investigated and leaked to media. did we know they were calling it "Crossfire Hurricane"? we did not.
This was used to discredit his whole campaign
3. he was being investigated, how was he not?

edit:
it is okay for Comey to write memo's. it is not okay to leak those memos to the press. Comey did just that.
Comey also failed to "update" the president

can you link claims with proof? instead of just quoting media personality opinions? you need evidence to your claims, instead of forcing people to prove crap you're making up to be wrong.

Quote (IceMage @ Dec 11 2019 11:07am)

Mueller came out disputing Buzzfeed's story that the president clearly suborned perjury. That was basically the only instance where Mueller's team spoke out like that, because politicians were calling for the information to be released to support impeachment. Totally different circumstances. Prosecutors are supposed to keep their mouths shut, and it's irresponsible to contradict the IG if you aren't ready to present evidence.

Quote (IceMage @ Dec 11 2019 12:07pm)

Mueller came out disputing Buzzfeed's story that the president clearly suborned perjury. That was basically the only instance where Mueller's team spoke out like that, because politicians were calling for the information to be released to support impeachment. Totally different circumstances. Prosecutors are supposed to keep their mouths shut, and it's irresponsible to contradict the IG if you aren't ready to present evidence.

1. The fact remains that Clinton faced two publicly known investigations while Trump faced one investigation that wasn't known to the public.
2. We knew during the campaign that Manafort was being investigated I believe, but as to the others, you'll need to post some evidence here.
3. Trump was not the subject or target of any investigations until he fired Comey.

I don't have a problem with Comey leaking the memo in order to reveal Trump's corrupt behavior.

Which claims do you need me to post evidence for?

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The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) opened the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of Russian interference on July 31, 2016, including a special focus on links between Trump associates and Russian officials and suspected coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. The FBI's work was taken over in May 2017 by former FBI director Robert Mueller, who led a Special Counsel investigation until March 2019.

Quote (Brian_D @ Dec 11 2019 12:29pm)

So trump and Barr were wrong and are now attempting to spin this report to look bad for the dems/fbi. More bullshit from the right.

Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 11 2019 12:15pm)

he came out twice, the other time was to deny the Cohen-in-Prague story

Quote (IceMage @ Dec 11 2019 12:31pm)

https://dailycaller.com/2018/04/16/michael-cohen-prague-meeting/

Not a specific denial, just a general statement about inaccurate stories.

Durham's statement isn't just a denial of what he claims to be an inaccurate media story... it's undercutting the claims of the IG, and also implicitly making accusations of wrongdoing without providing any evidence.

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Statement of U.S. Attorney John H. Durham
“I have the utmost respect for the mission of the Office of Inspector General and the comprehensive work that went into the report prepared by Mr. Horowitz and his staff. However, our investigation is not limited to developing information from within component parts of the Justice Department. Our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S. Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened.”

Quote (tagged4nothing @ Dec 11 2019 12:27pm)

fair enough to you, i suppose it would be hard to link something that is claiming is not there.
1. that's fine, although it was only to save the face of the same people setting Trump up. either way, it's just scapegoating the issue "poor Hilary".
2. I already linked a news article from before the election that discussed Carter Page being investigated. including Manafort, that's 2 already before the election surrounding his campaign that was leaked. how many more do you really need?
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections


claiming it didn't start until he fired Comey is false.

adding Steele Dossier.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html#document/p1

Quote (tagged4nothing @ Dec 11 2019 12:36pm)

how is he undercutting the IG?

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/statement-us-attorney-john-h-durham

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Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened.