white genocide is a hysteric catchphrase and a silly conspiracy theory.
the decline of the white population share, however, is very real.

"whiteness" can in these contexts be defined as "being of predominantly European descent and having been raised and socialized in an envrionment dominated by European culture and norms".

Yeah, it is a phenomenon that is really talked about in intro to sociology, the low growth north and the high growth south, etc. It has more to do with the necessity of many kids to work and because some die off in the south of the equator vs the cost of raising children north of the equator. Its on every continent lol and has nothing to do with race lol.

But the world is mysterious and scary to people like endlesssky.

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 8 2019 07:25am

What's new in recent decades compared to the more distant past is that we have large-scale, direct immigration from the global south into the global north. Changes in the racial/ethnic makeup of Western countries is not driven by differences in birthrates, it's driven by the fact that non-white immigration by far outnumbers white immigration.

This is a qualitative and significant different from, say, the tensions between late 19th, early 20th century France and Germany, where the more dynamic Germany was pressing France with its lower birthrates and stagnant population to the wall. Or from the rise of Japan and South Korea, where the phase with the largest absolute population growth coincided with the steepest decline in birthrates and created a huge "demographic dividend".

The change we're talking about here is almost exclusively driven by immigration, and immigration (unlike birthrates) can be legislated. Which makes this development a more politically accessible and explosive issue. "Demographics is (political) destiny" might very well be a true statement - but the demographics themselves are not destiny, they can still be influenced substantially. Today's immigration policy is strongly linked to both parties' future fate and power, and that's what makes debates about it so bitter and fierce.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 8 2019 07:48am

more scared white bigot malarkey. so, in short, you ARE afraid that evil brown people / muslims are out to get you...



that might very well include a majority of 'mohameds' then - in order to properly fearmonger about 'whiteness' becoming a minority, you'll have to admit to what you ACTUALLY define it as, and who you exclude from it - and don't worry, it won't shock or surprise anyone here. if anything, the most shocking part would probably be you finally dropping your 'i'm just a concerned but reasonable citizen' act...

Mass migration is not new to recent decades. I'm pretty sure most of us have some of Genghis Khan's DNA in us as proof. This is such a cognitive distortion. Italy used to be blonde haired and blue eyes until the Moors had sex with so many Italian great great great great grandmothers during an act of mass immigration. Saying things like this makes you look ridiculous as a European. Have you no idea of your own history? Europeans have emigrated all over the whole fucking planet. You guys literally have no boundaries when it comes to things historically. You guys even got together and tried to purge entire ethnic groups from among you because of this exact same sentiment, within the past century.

Did you know, the United States, the country that I live in, is a county whose entire population has somehow come here as an act of mass immigration? Believe it or not there are Native Americans that live on reservations here who were the original indigenous citizens of North America and it wasn't people with white skin or black skin etc. What typically happens is people come here, and within a generation or two their children are alien to them and their traditional values. Did you know you even have had large ethnic groups of Turks and Russians living in your country as well who are products of mass immigration? You used to have a lot more diversity but a lot of Jewish and Romanian minorities just up and vanished..



This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 8 2019 08:30am

you're shifting goalposts. my original claim was that authorities are scared of the political implications of publishing statistics about the decline of the white population share and/or the increase of the muslim population share, and that they're extra careful when communicating such figures to the public. or even sometimes using tricks to obfuscate such developments in official statistics. the stuff you quoted is me providing examples/proof for this claim. nowhere in all of this did I or the sources I quoted say that I or anyone else is "scared of brown people" or "thinking that muslims are out to get you".




a big chunk of a child's socialization takes places inside the core family. those mohameds you're talking about, the ones growing up in french or swedish or german or dutch cities, are neither of european descent nor are all of them raised and socialized in an envrionment dominated by European culture and norms.





The current European culture is shaped by the values of enlightenment and secularization. Its values form the bedrock of liberal democracies and the constitutions of all Western countries. Migration which took place before the age of enlightment is irrelevant for today's discussions.

The United States came to be thanks to mass migration, yes. But it was mass migration of Europeans. In the grand scheme of things, the cultural differences between English and Irish and German and Italian Americans were never that huge, it was always likely that these groups would merge into one shared culture and identity in the end. Whether Latinos will ultimately integrate into the American 'melting pot' as well remains to be seen. I'm carefully optimistic, but only if there is a "breather period" with lower levels of immigration.

When it comes to the Russians and Turks in Germany: those Russians are largely the descendants of Germans who were expelled from their homeland and driven to Asia, or captured by the Soviets, in the aftermath of WW2. Most of them have identified with the German state and consider themselves to Germans first and foremost.

The Turks are a very mixed story. Many of them integrated well, found decent jobs, married, follow the law, pay their taxes, speak fluent German etc. On the flip side, a large chunk of them is unemployed, struggles to speak German, still identifies predominantly as Turkish, considers Erdogan to be their president and so on. Turks are vastly overrepresented among high school dropouts, welfare recipients and when it comes to violent crime, and that's almost exclusively due to this second group. The split between the successful and the unintegrated Turks is roooughly 50:50. Unfortunately, the gap is not closing either, there are tons of third- or even fourth-generation Turks who still make no progress towards integrating (culturally or economically) into our society.

Iranians in Germany are largely successful and well-integrated, but that's because Iranian expats are largely the families of intellectuals (writers, scientists, journalists) who came here fleeing the oppression of Iran's theocratic regime.
For all other muslim countries of origin, the split between the successful migrants and the troublemakers who are a drag on our society is very unfavorable, about 20:80 or so.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 8 2019 09:08am

John gets the most because his gospel more than the others lends itself to Christ's divinity.

If theres something clear to say here it's that Anglo-saxon "culture" - US & UK - is much less efficient in integrating communities than EU latin (or even north) "cultures".
Gated communities illustrate the problematic perfectly. but also the muslim integration issues in UK.

Is integration in France that much better? Remember the huge riots in 2005? The economic marginalization of people from migrant-heavy banlieus?

If there is a role-model for successful integration, it's got to be Canada, which is strongly influenced by Anglo-saxon culture.

I’m surprised that Jesus isn’t a popular name in America. They worship the guy but won’t name their kid after him. However, hispanics name their kids Jesus all the time.