sure, but the percentage-based increase and decrease of newborn children named with a typical muslim name like Mohamed provides a (coarse) indicator for the increase and decrease of their population share.

yeah so you could accurately report that with census data, but instead they choose to run far more scary looking baby name stats to scare people.

its pretty simple, many white people are ignorant of how high of a % name their babies Mohamed, or how diverse western names are, or both. so it scares them out of context.

That people who were either born in North Africa or the Middle East, or are the Europe-born children of people from these regions, are not of "European descent" - this is indeed self-evident.


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Concerning my claim that many of the EU-based muslim children dont grow up in a social and family environment which satisfies my definition of "being raised in an environment dominated by European culture and norms":

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/mar/04/birmingham-school-stops-lgbt-lessons-after-parent-protests
https://www.economist.com/erasmus/2018/02/02/in-british-schools-the-wearing-of-the-hijab-by-young-girls-is-an-explosive-issue
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-islam/germanys-top-court-rules-muslim-schoolgirls-must-join-swimming-lessons-idUSKBN13X1XW
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/25/switzerland-ruling-overturns-muslim-pupils-handshake-exemption-religion
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36382596
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-children-marry-age-nine-islamic-law-diyanet-government-chp-mp-investigation-muslim-a8142131.html


https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/soziologin-necla-kelek-zwangsehen-werden-bei-uns-alltag/20697098.html

Translation of some key sections from the above article:



This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 9 2019 11:07am

The smaller name pool makes their population share look larger than it is in these baby name lists, yes. But irrespective from that, if the number of newborn childs named Mohamed doubles within a few years, it's still telling us something.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 9 2019 11:10am

yes it does tell us something, in a far more complicated way than simple census data.

it's like tracking tree growth to gauge the number of deer that are exist. instead of just counting deer.

What's the most common name for non-cis males?

well, you're skipping a major logical step there in order to MAKE it 'self-evident': you're assuming that all kids named mohamed are born in, or to people from the middle east and northern africa. what about those that were born to a family with a german and an immigrant parent, what about those born to muslim families that lived in germany for decades? in your simplistic world view it might be true that no mohamed can have 'european values' (still waiting for your definition btw), but that's simply an incredibly ignorant assumption.

again, just drop the act - everyone can see what kind of fearmongering tactics you're employing here, and why...

Re: bolded part: I never claimed that.

I said that "a majority of 'Mohameds' in Europe" will grow up in an environment strongly influenced, if not outright dominated, by the values and norms of Islamic societies (instead of European ones).


But keep it up, keep twisting my words to then call me ignorant based on your malicious misrepresentation of my views and statements.

so now it's just 'a majority', huh? what kind of percentage are we talking about, and what statistic do you base those facts on? not as 'self-evident' as you suggested, huh?

also, why do you keep dodging giving me your definition of 'european values'? it seems so important to you, so please define which values exactly all 'those mohameds' don't share, and why this is a problem. if you insist that you're not just a fearmonger, mentioning certain buzzwords to appeal to fellow bigots, then this is hardly an unreasonable request.