Quote (CPK001 @ Aug 9 2018 11:20pm)

I know that it is hard for you to accept that slavery takes different forms in this day and age. So you get offended. I do not feel embarrassed for I am not ashamed of the Gospel.

You want to go down that path? Then let's do it. The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery, it gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1). It does not outlaw slavery altogether. However, slavery in biblical times is very different from slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The difference is that slavery was not based exclusively on race. Slavery was based more on economics; a matter of social status. People sold themselves into slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. Some people chose to be slaves to have their needs provided.

Slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. The Bible does condemn race-based slavery as it teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image (Genesis 1:27). The Bible allowed for economic-based slavery and regulated it. The key issue is that slavery in The Bible in no way resembles racial slavery in the past few centuries. The Bible does condemn the practice of "man-stealing". This is what happened in Africa in the 16th to 19th centuries. Africans were rounded up, sold to be slaves and were brought to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This is abhorrent to God. The penalty for such crime is death (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are ungodly and sinful (1 Timothy 1:8-10).

Another key point is the purpose of The Bible, to point to the way of salvation and not to reform society. The Bible approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. He will see, with Paul, that a slave can be “a brother in the Lord” (Philemon 1:16). A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.

Quote (CPK001 @ Aug 9 2018 11:20pm)

as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.

Quote (GetOnYourKnees @ Aug 10 2018 06:40pm)

You evidently are ashamed of it, since you're being purposefully misleading about it. Not nearly as subtly as you might think, I might add.

'the bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery...it does not outlaw slavery altogether'... there's no question of the bible condemning or outlawing slavery, the bible quite clearly condones slavery, there's no need to pussyfoot around this fact, we've all read the bible...

What difference does it make if the slavery in the bible was not based on race? Slavery and sexual slavery during times of war (as is encouraged in the bible) is just as reprehensible to us today, no? Not to mention you've contradicted the scripture you posted in your previous reply - the israelites were exempt from slavery, so it was absolutely racial.

I, along with most people (and I suspect you too, underneath all the denial), am capable of empathy, and recognise that any form of slavery is wrong.

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Wtf? The bible has no prescription for ending slavery...are you pulling this interpretation out of your ass? Why would your god make people think that slavery is wrong, when he specifically encourages it?

Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 11 2018 01:43am)

In fact Jesus says that even if your master does not let you go when he should that you should submit to your master because you are helping a Christian do his work.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 11 2018 01:14am)

Just for anybody wondering, if you google Matt Dillahunty he was a previous minister-in-training who has researched this specific issue in depth before his deconversion. The bible does not tell you slavery is bad, it was not indentured servitude, the rule about getting let go after seven years is only for Hebrews, and you can trick your slave into voluntarily staying YOUR PROPERTY if you give him a wife and children since they have to stay if he decides to leave.

It's a different system than American style slavery, but the fact is they are your property and you can beat them as long as they don't immediately die.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Aug 10 2018 11:23pm)

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 11 2018 08:12am)

I'm not claiming any knowledge about your situation. I'm asking how you know it was God.

Maybe it was, but you haven't given me a good reason why you think it was, so I may never know.

Quote (GetOnYourKnees @ Aug 11 2018 10:40am)

You evidently are ashamed of it, since you're being purposefully misleading about it. Not nearly as subtly as you might think, I might add.

'the bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery...it does not outlaw slavery altogether'... there's no question of the bible condemning or outlawing slavery, the bible quite clearly condones slavery, there's no need to pussyfoot around this fact, we've all read the bible...

What difference does it make if the slavery in the bible was not based on race? Slavery and sexual slavery during times of war (as is encouraged in the bible) is just as reprehensible to us today, no? Not to mention you've contradicted the scripture you posted in your previous reply - the israelites were exempt from slavery, so it was absolutely racial.

I, along with most people (and I suspect you too, underneath all the denial), am capable of empathy, and recognise that any form of slavery is wrong.

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Wtf? The bible has no prescription for ending slavery...are you pulling this interpretation out of your ass? Why would your god make people think that slavery is wrong, when he specifically encourages it?

Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 11 2018 10:43am)

In fact Jesus says that even if your master does not let you go when he should that you should submit to your master because you are helping a Christian do his work.

Quote (GetOnYourKnees @ Aug 11 2018 10:59am)

:rofl: luckily for jesus, there have always been people dumb enough (I'm looking at you, CPK) to fall for that shit

Quote (NinetyTwo @ 11 Aug 2018 12:22)

you live a good life, and make choices that are with your heart, nothing too hard

Quote (CPK001 @ Aug 11 2018 10:16am)

That is what they did back then. All the things that we have now? They did not have anything to apply for back then. There was no such thing as working on the dole like we have nowadays. You must now provide a better alternative for somebody who cannot provide for their family, if they do not hire themselves out as a slave. What do they do? Please tell.

Quote (CPK001 @ Aug 11 2018 10:16am)

You will end up being a name, just like Widowmaker. Spoken about for 3 months and then forgotten forever.

Quote (CPK001 @ Aug 11 2018 10:16am)

I asked God to help me out of a situation and he delivered, immediately afterwards.