So if you pray for something and it happens immediately that means it's God? No matter what it is?

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Yes but not back then. They didn't have the same luxury as we have today. Think about it, your wife and kids are hungry and nobody is going to give you any food or money for free. You may get a meal here and there if you beg but you cannot make that your full time job.

You need to put food on the table, you have mouths to feed. Why not sell yourself as a slave as there is no other alternative?



You plan on dying with the most toys? You still die, even now I am preparing for what will happen during my funeral. I know what will happen and yet I won't be there to see it. I think about the bigger picture, obviously you don't.



Like when? I never once asked God to take your life. Do you think that I would even consider lowering myself to that level?



Yes, that's right! Also, consider prayer with action and faith with good works. What good is it if I ask God to give me strength to do something and then turn around and not do that thing?

What good is prayer if I ask God to help those in need after a natural disaster and yet I myself don't lend a helping hand? Do you think I just prayed for God to help me find my way out and then do nothing? I tell you no but by praying it showed that I was no longer relying on my own strength but leaning on God's strength.

So then if I say "I pray to God you die tomorrow" and somebody dies (since this has almost certainly happened) that means God killed the person?

Or if I pray for somebody to lose all their money in a fire, and it happens, does that mean God set the fire?

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Aug 13 2018 02:03am

Your god specifically chose to dictate slavery as the economic system of choice. From this, you can draw one of two conclusions: either your god was not aware of how to implement a more moral and effective system of economic safeguard, such as we have today; or your god does not consider slavery immoral. The former suggests that your bible is not divinely inspired; the latter suggests that our sense of morality is not derived from your god. Of course, both are true.



Not sure what you mean - when did I suggest that you had?



I think, and I'm sure I'm not alone, that you're naive, ignorant and fantastically arrogant

Also bear in mind if it is God's will then it will be done. Besides, are you just praying without actioning it yourself?



Last I checked we chose to sever our connection with God when we chose to rebel against him. As a result we suffer the consequences of doing so. We now have conflict with one another, preventing us from reaching our full potential. Read the Genesis curse, the ground is cursed. When we work the ground then it will be hard. It is only natural that some people will not be able to cope.

When God created the world it was good. Then we rebelled. Can you believe that actions have consequences? Can you believe that there is such a thing as cause and effect?

When I pray for the sick I actually don't pray for miracle healing. When I pray for the poor and needy I don't pray for a miracle lottery win. I pray that they will be able to work through the situation at hand and that God is in control of all things. There is a reason that they were put in that situation in the first place.

When I pray for me when a situation is about to happen, I merely pray that whatever happens I know that God is in control and I will rely on his strength rather than my own. I also ask for the forgiveness of sins.

I think that your opinion holds no weight on me whatsoever. Besides, it is not me who you should be worrying about. You have to consider your own life and where you will end up when you die.

For real pard is a lost cause

Here and RL


Lol I'm so glad I gave up on both in my life

locked. lol.

Prayer doubtless works, if one prays sincerely, from the depths of one's heart and soul, in humility, being aware that it's God's grace and nothing else, and if the prayer is in accordance with the moral laws of God, then that prayer will be answered in nine cases out of ten.

Don't bother arguing with these atheists, it's just sad that they do not believe. You can't make them believe. Even their unbelief might serve a function in this world.

I believe that the world is dying and we are like decaying cells, we do not really have free will but we were intended to have, and God is somehow trying to manage the world, without making too much of an influence on our free wills, and he in his wisdom makes as much as he can on our behalf to keep us alive, save us from suffering, while at the same time uphold his holy law.

But don't forget your humanity. Can you seriously not ask yourself the question why punishments must be so harsh? You are like a robot. You just reply "we sinned and sins got consequences, deal with it". It doesn't feel like you are saying it in truth from the bottom of your heart. It feels like you just repeat something you read from the Bible. Who can understand why death had to come into this world? Why was there an evil deceiving snake in the Garden of Eden? After all Eve did not even sin intentionally - she was fooled into it, yet she was punished severely, more severely than Adam. You come across as a little bit superior when you just claim to understand, even accept these things. Be a human and just admit that you do not understand. No one can. We must blindly believe that God is hundred percent good. That we cannot understand in this present world. It is impossible. Children starve and die. Children are kidnapped and tortured to death. It happens, every year, every day. Don't forget your humanity, I believe that God will see if that is sincere or not.

This post was edited by Tjo on Aug 14 2018 03:59pm

You still don't see the fault in your signature yet you think you have valid opinion elsewhere


That's the lol