PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ THIS. IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU COULD EVER DO AND IT ONLY TAKES A FEW MINUTES.

ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

There are some things that you should know:

1. Realize that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior:

Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin.

2. Because of our sins, we die both spiritually and physically, but God sent His Son to die so that you can have a chance not to have to go to hell by accepting what He did on the cross for you:

Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Ro 5:8 "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. for us."

Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. That’s because you must be perfect in order to get to heaven. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.

3. If you will Admit to Jesus Christ that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior, Believe in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead and Accept Him as your Lord and Savior and you will be forgiven and taken to heaven to be with Him when you die.

Joh 1:12 “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name”

Ro 10:9,10 "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.."

You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus, believing in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins and placing your trust in Him. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you.

Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS?

ARE YOU WILLING TO TURN TO JESUS CHRIST FOR SALVATION?

4. If you are willing to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and believe it with all of your heart, you could pray something like this to God from your heart:

"Dear Lord Jesus, I believe that You died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, save me, take me to be with You when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen."

If you have placed your faith in Jesus Christ and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven.

Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.

sounds more like a mental disease

there's no such thing, and this is a great example: people can just call each other with different religious/supernatural or otherwise unreasonable beliefs "mentally ill" and nobody would actually be describing anything physically wrong with someone's mind

ummm...

e: perpensity to beleive "unreasonable things" is a physical trait, in the context of your post, nobody could ever describe mental illness without pinpointing a misfiring neuron (impossible).

ee: also what up frodo? long time no jesus, bro

This post was edited by dude_927 on Jan 25 2016 12:03am

because mental illnesses aren't actual real/physical illnesses and just categories of symptoms psychiatrists make up and change as they see fit without rigorously testing their categories against empirical evidence. e.g. they call homosexuals mentally ill then when society accepts them at a large scale they say "ok not mentally ill anymore" and remove the category. these purported mental illnesses are just descriptions of groups of behaviors and feelings that society or psychiatrists deem unacceptable, unhealthy, dangerous, or otherwise unacceptable.

By this is it safe to assume that belief in some religion one day might be considered a mental disease?

i agree, so it is not the broken minds that concern you? it's the societal norms that upset you? this isn't a real convoluted debate, if you believe its ok to murder people, you're mentally ill. sure thats just society putting a big mean label on murder which isn't really all that bad in the grand scheme of things, but we have medicine to fix you from thinking those stupid things. It's very simple, if you believe something that hurts society, we try to "fix" it, its fairly obvious that some religious beliefs lead to hurting people in their name, i would guess sauci has noticed a similarity between confirmed mental illness (that which is accepted by mainstream psychiatry) and fundamentalist religious beliefs. I'm not exactly sure what your point is though, are you saying the experts are in fact not experts and that you alone have a more stern grasp of what a mental illness is? or are you saying that no diagnosed "mental illness" is valid and murderers should be set free? im confused



many religious beliefs are already accepted as mental illnesses, shrinking heads is frowned upon almost anywhere

This post was edited by dude_927 on Jan 25 2016 12:18am

no, i feel like you didn't grasp the essence of my post

i think over time more and more "mental illnesses" will stop being called such and instead be recognized as simple abnormality in behavior and feelings and eventually the entire hypothesized and horribly unsubstantiated biological/physical model/basis of mental illness will be thrown out in lieu of less dehumanizing ideas

history shows the exact opposite, what used to be "just stupid" is now a wide variety of diagnosable, treatable illnesses

arbitrary and subjective, such a description has no relevance to a science with psychiatry pretends to be



what? if someone does something harmful to a society then the society defends itself. i'm not trying to advocate for thiefs or murderes or whatever.



absolute bullshit. that's just subjective opinion and can't be the basis for the DIAGNOSIS of an ILLNESS. i agree with you 100% that it's bad to murder people and people should protect themselves against murderers. i don't agree with your reasoning though. and i wonder where you draw the line? if you believe it's ok to steal from people, are yhou mentally ill? what if you're really poor or hungry? what if you're only kind of poor but not yet starving? morals are entirely subjective and although the absence of the belief that it's bad to murder people is both extremely rare and potentially dangerous, that's not the criteria for which to call someone "ill".

if you're just calling anything that's unacceptable feeling or behavior for a society "mentally ill" then admit it plain as that, but don't pretend that it's actually an "illness". it has nothing to do with the objects being described as ill and everything to do with the society he or she inhabits. and when society changes or when that person moves to a different society, he or she may not even be described as ill anymore.



i agree except i oppose calling it "medicine". drugs can be a useful tool to help people control certain behaviors and feelings. there is no illness for which these behaviors and feelings would be the "symptoms" though, so it's not medicine.



some people will hurt people because they think their god tells them to kill nonbelievers. some people will hurt people because they think THEY are god and they have to kill nonbelievers. some people have irrational beliefs that are entirely separate from any religious/spiritual idea and might go harm them because of those beliefs. and some people might randomly go one a shooting spree one day out of absolutely no understandable reason, and nobody can figure out why it happened after the fact. that doesn't mean any of these people are mentally ill. on an objective level you can't distinguish between the guy who believes he's serving god, and the guy who believes he is god.

i'm not religious and you can probably tell i find it unreasonable. society will get less religious as information spreads around faster and the phenomena in our world become more explainable through empiricism. as much as i'd like to press a button that ends all religion, there is no such thing and i'm content knowing contemporary religions will be as dead as the ones that preceded in them in the future, and it will be harder to come up with basises for new religions given greater understanding of the world.

@"different religious beliefs leading to people hurting others in their name" it's an interesting thought, but that again isn't the basis of an illness.



lol "confirmed" mental illness, i'd like you to elaborate on that if you can

if by mental illness in this case you're referring specifically to those regarding "delusions" / false beliefs, then yeah, i have noticed a similarity to. the answer is: there is no fucking difference except for how many other people in society agree with you



yes i disagree with psychiatrists

no, i do not have a more stern grasp of what a mental illness is, because there's no such thing as a mental illness



many mental illnesses just describe a set of feelings and behaviors that society judges as unhealthy to themselves, their relationships, or others, or somehow undesirable. i'm saying only the feelings and behaviors exist, but that the categories psychiatrists often arbitrarily come up with are not actual real things as if they had some root cause, and they are not actually tested for (as no such tests exist). you just describe your feelings and behaviors (or if you're unlucky a psychiatrist describes them in you) and if seven out of ten come up on a checklist, you're called ill. when of course in reality different people have different numbers and extents of these traits and they don't have to mean they are ill in some way.

the main point is: psychiatrists are describing feelings and behaviors, then concluding that these are symptoms. symptoms are just that, symptoms; they come from some root cause. the psychiatrists don't really bother with that part besides occasionally describing different chemical amounts to explain why certain feelings might happen (which is really the description of a physical illness). much of the time they just look at a group of behaviors and feelings that society finds abnormal or harmful and conclude it's a group of symptoms coming from an illness. again, they thought homosexuals were ill because much of society said "i don't like that", and not because of some empirical testing they did on people.



wtf, this is so incredibly stupid, but it's said so often. no, of course not. whatever system society has in place to deal with criminals or people who cause harm is what deals with murderers. how is this even relevant? just because i don't agree with quacks calling people ill means i think murders should be free? i'm only rejected their explanation that this harmful behavior comes from some mystical, unproven source. if you kill someone & it's proven, suffer the consequence of the legal system, having someone call you names doesn't mean anything.