Quote (Nathan @ Jan 25 2016 07:07am)
"if you act in a way that impacts the population negatively in which you reside, you are not thinking rationallly"
wtf?.. no. if you go back in time many years somewhere where people enslaved people of one race and ran around saying "oh my god you guy are all racists and you're violating people's rights and you're hurting so many people this has to end" they'd tell you you're negatively impacting society, so this is a really dumb & fallible metric to try to call someone irrational by. so for example you could protest against the economic system, the political system, the school system, etc of contemporary society and they could say you're negatively impacting society (since it's such a vauge judgement) and then say you're irrational
OK? society changes, do you deny that that the "slavery is wrong" person in the 1st century would be deemed mentally ill? they thought obstructing slavery hurt society, today we think the opposite, whats the issue exactly?
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this is just a vague judgement, and there are plenty of "mental illnesses" that can't even said to be impacting others negatively.
or onesself (as i stated previously)
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"is it not fair to just say "those that hurt, are ill" our only options are cure, exile or kill, i simply choose cure, you can word it however you want."
they aren't really hurt or ill is the problem. some people have undesirable behaviors or feelings and they might want to get them under control via therapy or drugs or other methods, and that's great, and i approve of methods to do that, and it should always be voluntary. i oppose dehumanizing language that these people have an illness in their minds. and thus since they do not have an illness there is no "curing", they are simply getting help to change how they behave or feel. continually wording it as illnesses, symptoms, treatments, cures, etc. further legitimizes the unfounded biological model of mental illness
you are conflating multiple mental illnesses, sure i agree, sometimes its all in a person head, but if you think bleach tastes good, you are a danger to yourself and we can either cure you or let you drink bleach.
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"societal norms set laws too"
not sure what your point is here but all i meant with that part was that i'm clearly not against setting murders free & societies already have systems in place like legal systems to deal with people who murder other people--opposing psychiatry is in no way opposing that
What is illegal is dictated by the same thing as what is mentally ill, societal norms, in a legal setting we gauge mental stability to establish the driving force behind a crime, if you kill someone on purpose of sound body and mind, you have commited a crime, if you commit the exact same murder but were deemed mentally unstable, you are ill. without a gauge of mental stability to discern motive, you essentially are saying everyone is of sound body and mind and second and third degree murder are nonexistant.
This post was edited by dude_927 on Jan 28 2016 01:33am
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