Quote (death_knight @ Aug 14 2018 03:56pm)

You still don't see the fault in your signature yet you think you have valid opinion elsewhere


That's the lol

Quote (Tjo @ Aug 14 2018 11:55pm)

Prayer doubtless works, if one prays sincerely, from the depths of one's heart and soul, in humility, being aware that it's God's grace and nothing else, and if the prayer is in accordance with the moral laws of God, then that prayer will be answered in nine cases out of ten.

Don't bother arguing with these atheists, it's just sad that they do not believe. You can't make them believe. Even their unbelief might serve a function in this world.

I believe that the world is dying and we are like decaying cells, we do not really have free will but we were intended to have, and God is somehow trying to manage the world, without making too much of an influence on our free wills, and he in his wisdom makes as much as he can on our behalf to keep us alive, save us from suffering, while at the same time uphold his holy law.

But don't forget your humanity. Can you seriously not ask yourself the question why punishments must be so harsh? You are like a robot. You just reply "we sinned and sins got consequences, deal with it". It doesn't feel like you are saying it in truth from the bottom of your heart. It feels like you just repeat something you read from the Bible. Who can understand why death had to come into this world? Why was there an evil deceiving snake in the Garden of Eden? After all Eve did not even sin intentionally - she was fooled into it, yet she was punished severely, more severely than Adam. You come across as a little bit superior when you just claim to understand, even accept these things. Be a human and just admit that you do not understand. No one can. We must blindly believe that God is hundred percent good. That we cannot understand in this present world. It is impossible. Children starve and die. Children are kidnapped and tortured to death. It happens, every year, every day. Don't forget your humanity, I believe that God will see if that is sincere or not.

Quote (CPK001 @ Aug 14 2018 10:46pm)

Last I checked we chose to sever our connection with God when we chose to rebel against him. As a result we suffer the consequences of doing so. We now have conflict with one another, preventing us from reaching our full potential. Read the Genesis curse, the ground is cursed. When we work the ground then it will be hard. It is only natural that some people will not be able to cope.

When God created the world it was good. Then we rebelled. Can you believe that actions have consequences? Can you believe that there is such a thing as cause and effect?

When I pray for the sick I actually don't pray for miracle healing. When I pray for the poor and needy I don't pray for a miracle lottery win. I pray that they will be able to work through the situation at hand and that God is in control of all things. There is a reason that they were put in that situation in the first place.

When I pray for me when a situation is about to happen, I merely pray that whatever happens I know that God is in control and I will rely on his strength rather than my own. I also ask for the forgiveness of sins.

I think that your opinion holds no weight on me whatsoever. Besides, it is not me who you should be worrying about. You have to consider your own life and where you will end up when you die.

Quote (Tjo @ Aug 14 2018 11:01pm)

”Yeah because we sinned" is not an answer, it is not an explanation.

Quote (death_knight @ Aug 14 2018 01:56pm)

You still don't see the fault in your signature yet you think you have valid opinion elsewhere


That's the lol

Quote (CPK001 @ Aug 14 2018 03:46pm)

Also bear in mind if it is God's will then it will be done. Besides, are you just praying without actioning it yourself?

Quote (Tjo @ Aug 15 2018 07:55am)

Prayer doubtless works, if one prays sincerely, from the depths of one's heart and soul, in humility, being aware that it's God's grace and nothing else, and if the prayer is in accordance with the moral laws of God, then that prayer will be answered in nine cases out of ten.

Don't bother arguing with these atheists, it's just sad that they do not believe. You can't make them believe. Even their unbelief might serve a function in this world.

I believe that the world is dying and we are like decaying cells, we do not really have free will but we were intended to have, and God is somehow trying to manage the world, without making too much of an influence on our free wills, and he in his wisdom makes as much as he can on our behalf to keep us alive, save us from suffering, while at the same time uphold his holy law.

But don't forget your humanity. Can you seriously not ask yourself the question why punishments must be so harsh? You are like a robot. You just reply "we sinned and sins got consequences, deal with it". It doesn't feel like you are saying it in truth from the bottom of your heart. It feels like you just repeat something you read from the Bible. Who can understand why death had to come into this world? Why was there an evil deceiving snake in the Garden of Eden? After all Eve did not even sin intentionally - she was fooled into it, yet she was punished severely, more severely than Adam. You come across as a little bit superior when you just claim to understand, even accept these things. Be a human and just admit that you do not understand. No one can. We must blindly believe that God is hundred percent good. That we cannot understand in this present world. It is impossible. Children starve and die. Children are kidnapped and tortured to death. It happens, every year, every day. Don't forget your humanity, I believe that God will see if that is sincere or not.

Quote (GetOnYourKnees @ Aug 15 2018 10:37am)

Nowhere in this reply did you address any of my points.

Interesting though, that you say you never pray for miracles - that way, you can never be disappointed, right?



Even your fellow sheep know you’re talking out of your ass :rofl:

Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 15 2018 10:50am)

You didn't answer my question.

Quote (CPK001 @ Aug 14 2018 09:05pm)

Try explaining that to these people.



Or maybe I did address your points but you were too blind to see it.



Or perhaps the answer you were looking for isn't what you received so you say that it wasn't answered to your satisfaction.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 15 2018 01:06pm)

I asked a yes or no question. You avoided it.

Quote (CPK001 @ Aug 15 2018 12:49am)

No.

Quote (CPK001 @ Aug 15 2018 04:05am)

Or maybe I did address your points but you were too blind to see it.