Quote (ferdia @ Oct 3 2022 01:09pm)

I just dont like it when i see too few options presented, its ingrained in me to look at all the scenario's :(

Quote (babun1024 @ 3 Oct 2022 19:27)

The thing is US and Europe went too far this time around with freezing accounts, economic warfare and sanctions. Point is Russia won't trust anything the west is going to offer them as an agreement. Same can be said about us. We can't trust Russia anymore. Our economic ties went both ways, now, that they are severed, Russia couldn't care anymore. They might even nuke because they don't care. The only real outcome for us, the west, is war of attrition for both sides, so they're forced to accept a peace agreement. Ukraine and Russia are doing the tug of war game until that moment arrives. I expect the gains/losses to be counted after the upcoming winter.
Whatever is left of Ukraine if anything has to join NATO afterwards.

Quote (babun1024 @ Oct 3 2022 12:27pm)

The thing is US and Europe went too far this time around with freezing accounts, economic warfare and sanctions. Point is Russia won't trust anything the west is going to offer them as an agreement. Same can be said about us. We can't trust Russia anymore. Our economic ties went both ways, now, that they are severed, Russia couldn't care anymore. They might even nuke because they don't care. The only real outcome for us, the west, is war of attrition for both sides, so they're forced to accept a peace agreement. Ukraine and Russia are doing the tug of war game until that moment arrives. I expect the gains/losses to be counted after the upcoming winter.
Whatever is left of Ukraine if anything has to join NATO afterwards.

Quote (ferdia @ 3 Oct 2022 19:33)

I have not heard the russian stance on whether they will countenance a smaller ukraine in nato or not. therefore we cant say either way whats left of ukraine must be in nato.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Oct 3 2022 01:31pm)

You cannot win against an enemy who is willing to sacrifice their population en masse. Who happens to also have a decent amount of Nuclear weapons.

By the way Lvivz / Palasan posted a picture of us have you seen it ? :rofl:

https://i.gyazo.com/d3f7c9e295675077fe0b19b290e48582.png

Quote (JamesRoberts @ Oct 3 2022 03:47pm)

So much for the China-Russia Strategic Axis against the West.

Which existed only in The Land of Oz to begin with.

Nord Stream ist kaput and the new Belt & Silk Road to Europe was stillborn.

That loud crash and commotion is Russia and China smashing into the inside of their own walls.

Quote (Djunior @ 3 Oct 2022 21:49)

Hi palasan what happened to your account

Quote (Ironfister @ Oct 2 2022 05:50pm)

By beggars you mean actual beggars who stand on the street asking for money?
Well, temperatures in the winter are warmer in western Europe, as you guys are closer to ocean, so that its more convenient to stand or sit longer on the street.
Also because when we see a man who wants free money on the street, we tell him to go to work, instead of giving him free money. So maybe you western guys are simply better donators to these beggars. IDK. If a beggar gets lets say 40eur per hour on begging, he wont go work. Its his "work", he has flexible hours, no Boss yelling at him, no taxes and he is fine.
I dont know how could a government satisfy this kind of person.
Havent seen a beggar over here in my city. All the people I know are honest workers.
If beggars are a problem in your country, just ban beggars.