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Oct 31 2021 11:15am
Quote (Clervis @ Oct 31 2021 04:54pm)
Seems like Stormlash w/16BoS is 7/2 off the bat. Add 2 IAS and you're 6/2. Slapping on 70 more for that 1 frame seems excessive, but I appreciate the illustration of the maximum.

But it brings up a good point on DTalon level though. I use to run a 4 kick series, because of NHAM and wasted kicks if the first kick kills (burn 15 frames). Now you'll only burn a fraction and NHAM is somewhat improved apparently. For PvM, might as well pump it up to 30 for 6 speedy kicks!

I did some quick excelulating and it looks like my old 100CB/2k kicksin could take down P8 Baal in 8 seconds flat with a 6/2. Also, a Riftsin w/ 6/2 could average a Frozen Orb in 16.6 frames, which is just about twice as fast as a Sorc at 29-32 frames. Rift, by the bye, would be a good way to test these breakpoints.


I use that ammount of ias to keep max ias faded vs uber meph :)
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Oct 31 2021 12:21pm
Quote (gel87 @ Oct 31 2021 01:15pm)
I use that ammount of ias to keep max ias faded vs uber meph :)


So what's the apparent change here that altering all these formulas. Is it the -1 dropped from animation duration?
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Oct 31 2021 12:39pm
Quote (Clervis @ Oct 31 2021 07:21pm)
So what's the apparent change here that altering all these formulas. Is it the -1 dropped from animation duration?


EIAS // speedincrease used to be capped at 75.
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Oct 31 2021 03:52pm
Quote (gel87 @ Oct 31 2021 02:39pm)
EIAS // speedincrease used to be capped at 75.


Interesting. When someone else pointed out apparent DTalon changes, I read this post from back in the day by jrichard:
https://www.diabloii.net/forums/threads/since-the-kick-calculations-are-off-someone-please-help-with-this-question.222223/

He mentions the 75 EIAS cap, or the (base value + skill ias + ((120*ias)/(120+ias)) - WSM) at a maximum of 175 and minimum of 15. But he goes into some detail as to why the 67 EIAS breakpoint doesn't pan out.

All those other breakpoint changes make that cap the pretty clear culprit. Here's hoping Bliz isn't clued in and we can enjoy ridiculously fast kicks for a while.

We're certain this registers server-side right? Regardless, I think I'll grab my bnet Sin and a Rift Caddy, 14BoS, 30DT, and 113 IAS and count my Frozen Orbs. If my math is correct, I should average 96 orbs per minute.

1/96{orbs}*60{sec/min}*25{frame/sec}*.16{orbs/attack}= 2.5fpa==5/2/2/2/2/2 on average

That's a lot of orbs.
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Quote (0blique @ Oct 23 2021 12:56am)
GMB faith: even with 155% ias, it's impossible to boost beyond the old max bow speed of 7 fpa (perhaps with a higher level fanat aura from a party member, though).


My question is, with a GMB Faith 15 aura, do you still need the same IAS to hit the breakpoint or has it reduced, if reduced how much IAS is now needed with a GMB Faith 15 to hit 7fpa.

i.e. with a GMB Faith can you attain max speed with less then 95% IAS ?

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 3 2021 06:35am
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Quote (Ziecheik @ Oct 25 2021 04:12pm)
not sure what would be the fastest speed possible for dclaw now.
without wsm bug its not possible to hit -45wsm or faster with claws now.

and also dclaw has some very high ias bps, much higher than traps to hit what is normally the 10fpa (2 attacks per use) cap on dclaw.
also the cap would only be broken in BoS setups, which limits it to sin vs necro duels on c/c usually.


Worth noting, dclaw seems glitched. i was hitting every time on a pally with my low ar and him having max block. not just the 2nd hit was landing, both hits. idk why but it seemed to avoid blocking even when he was standing still. was about a week ago.
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Nov 3 2021 06:53am
Any one test/confirm the ias BPs yet? The orb/kick test would be interesting.
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Nov 3 2021 11:28am
So I noticed if I manually count frames in legacy graphics vs manually count frames in new graphics that the numbers come out different (new graphics always show things faster). Now, to further test this I decided to time how long it took me to run out of mana when holding fury. This test resulted in the same times between legacy graphics and new graphics. When converting the timing method to my manually counted frames, the fpa matched the frames with the new graphics (i.e. the faster frames are actually what are happening).

Futhermore, this timing test I did matches perfectly with my fpa calculation assuming there is now no 75 cap on the animation speed.

What a time to be a fury main!
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Nov 3 2021 03:58pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 3 2021 08:42am)
Worth noting, dclaw seems glitched. i was hitting every time on a pally with my low ar and him having max block. not just the 2nd hit was landing, both hits. idk why but it seemed to avoid blocking even when he was standing still. was about a week ago.


hum, coulda just been good rolls on block not activating?
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Quote (ferdia @ Nov 3 2021 08:31am)
My question is, with a GMB Faith 15 aura, do you still need the same IAS to hit the breakpoint or has it reduced, if reduced how much IAS is now needed with a GMB Faith 15 to hit 7fpa.

i.e. with a GMB Faith can you attain max speed with less then 95% IAS ?


the old bps are the same.
but now it's possible to hit higher speeds.

break out those shadow and diamond bow faiths and/or get more ias.
maybe matriarchal bow

This post was edited by Ziecheik on Nov 3 2021 04:01pm
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