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Oct 22 2021 06:56pm
Hi, just wanted to share my results with testing various characters with the changes to attack speed & fpa. I've tested with an Assassin's trap skills/kicks, a smiter, and a barbarian holding beast and saw impressive results. I decided to try with different Faith runewords on an Amazon next! I'll probably do other tests and post them here if I get around to it.

All of these are 15 fanat!

GMB faith: even with 155% ias, it's impossible to boost beyond the old max bow speed of 7 fpa (perhaps with a higher level fanat aura from a party member, though).

Diamond faith: with 155% ias (95% ias setup common for GMB + 60% ias armor) you can break under the fastest bowspeed for the old game. Can't tell if it's one frame faster (I believe it is) or how many it is, but removing even 10% attack speed will bring it back down to normal frame speeds.

Mat bow faith: the old frame breakpoint gets surpassed at or just under 105% ias. Even with more than 105, it seems to shoot at the same speed as the Diamond with 155% IAS.

Now with this in mind, I wanted to try testing the crossbows.

Colossus faith: impossible to boost beyone the old max bow speed (barring higher fanat aura from party)

Gorgon faith: results were relative to the Diamond, 155% ias makes it faster but removing 10% brings it to the same situation as Colossus

Demon machine faith: this is the one i wanted to test and it showed interesting results. Using 155% ias and a demon bow faith, the crossbow will reach 7fpa - in otherwords, the crossbow will shoot as fast as a bow.



After checking these out, it makes me wish there were a -60 wsm bow too :thumbsup:

sometime, i'll have to see how an assassin with beast does smacking with a demon machine in bear form...
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Oct 22 2021 07:17pm
as mentioned in the other thread, there is a good chance these are all client-side visual bugs, and your attack speed isn't actually exceeding the cap server-side.

I'm all for more testing to be done, as I am not 100% sure on it currently either.

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Oct 22 2021 07:29pm
Quote (Ziecheik @ Oct 22 2021 09:17pm)
as mentioned in the other thread, there is a good chance these are all client-side visual bugs, and your attack speed isn't actually exceeding the cap server-side.

I'm all for more testing to be done, as I am not 100% sure on it currently either.


I just did the testing. It's certainly hitting on singleplayer. I'm using a demon machine faith and it's hitting + doing damage at the rate that it appears to be shot out (7fpa).
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I just did the testing. It's certainly hitting on singleplayer. I'm using a demon machine faith and it's hitting + doing damage at the rate that it appears to be shot out (7fpa).


its possible it might work single player, something weird about it on bnet tho.
not all hits seem to be hitting.

I'll test more and maybe record when I get a chance.

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Oct 22 2021 07:33pm
nice post, thanks for the info!
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Oct 24 2021 02:13am
I wish they never patch this ^^ matriarchal bowazon will rule the wooooorld :bb
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Oct 24 2021 03:01am
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I wish they never patch this ^^ matriarchal bowazon will rule the wooooorld :bb


Quote (gel87 @ Sep 13 2021 11:56pm)
So if we assume speed increase maxed out at 75%.
EIAS = ((120*Ias)/(120+Ias)) - WSM + Skill_ias - Slow
Eias = ((120*92)/((120+92)) - 10 + 33 - 0
EIAS = 75

AnimationLenght = How many frames between each shot.
AnimationLenght = RoundUp(14/(1+(Eias/100))-1;0)
AnimationLenght = RoundUp(14/(1+(75/100))-1;0)
AnimationLenght = 7

Attacks pr second = 25/AnimationLenght
Attacks pr second = 25/7
Attacks pr second = 3,57

Action frame = On which frame the shot is actually fired
ActionFrame = RoundUp(6/(1+(Eias/100))-1;0)
ActionFrame = RoundUp(6/(1+(75/100))-1;0)
ActionFrame = 3

To do all this from the bottom for javs and such you would need the classbonus on those weps for amazon.
Then do the delay lenght, and what i called animlenght in my werewolf formula.
Then frames formula, which is here called AnimationLenght.


Now, lets use FAITH MB and not let EIAS max out at 75.
According to my calculations you need 109ias to reach 6 frames with faith mb and lvl 15 aura.
So not to OP....

((120*109)/(120+109)) - -10 + 33 = 100 EIAS
ROUNDUP(14/(1+(100/100))-1;0) = 6

You need 377ias for 5 frames.

This post was edited by gel87 on Oct 24 2021 03:06am
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Now lets see werewolf:
1 handed swining wepon = 1hs aka 19

Wepon Base = 19
Werewolf lvl 33 = 75skill ias
Off wepon Ias = 10
WSM = WSM*-1 (i just write 30 instead of -30, and -10 instead of 10 in excel for now)

Delay:
Formula given by site: delay = [256*(WeaponBase + 1) / [(weapon ias+wsm+100)*256/100]]
Forumla in excel: =ROUNDDOWN(256*(WeaponBase+0)/((Weapon ias+wsm+100)*256/100);0) <---- I think WeaponBase is 18+1 so was listed as 19 since this is dudu. So i do 19+0 as that seems to fit better.
Formula with numbers: =ROUNDDOWN(256*(19+0)/((70+30+100)*256/100);0)
Answere: 11

Anim speed:
Formula given by site: Anim speed = [9 * 256 / delay]
Formula in excel: =ROUNDDOWN(9 * 256 /delay;0)
Formula with numbers: =ROUNDDOWN(9 * 256 /11;0)
Answere 209

Speed increase:
Formula given by site: Speed increase = [120 * item_ias / (120 + item ias)] + skill ias + wsm <-------(if (Speed increase > 75): Speed increase = 75)
Formula in excel: =ROUNDDOWN(IF(((120*item_ias/(120+item_ias))+skill_ias+wsm)>75;75;(120*item_ias/(120+item_ias))+skill_ias+wsm);0)
With numbers: =ROUNDDOWN(IF(((120*10/(120+10))+75+30)>75;75;(120*10/(120+10))+75+30);0)
Answere: 75

Frames Main:
Formula given by site: Frames = {256*7/[(100 + Speed increase)/100*Anim speed]}
Formula in excel: =ROUNDUP((256*7/((100+Speed_increase)/100*Anim_speed));0)
Formula in excel: =ROUNDUP((256*7/((100+75)/100*256));0)
Answere: 4

Frames Last = {256*13/[(100 + Speed increase)/100*Anim speed]}- 1


Lets try wolf, i dno maby offhand ias will have more to say.

Formula in excel: =ROUNDDOWN(IF(((120*item_ias/(120+item_ias))+skill_ias+wsm)>75;75;(120*item_ias/(120+item_ias))+skill_ias+wsm);0)

Removing the max value of 75 for skill increase.
Formula in excel: =ROUNDDOWN((120*item_ias/(120+item_ias))+skill_ias+wsm;0)
With numbers: =ROUNDDOWN((120*10/(120+10))+75+30;0) = 114

This has HUGE impact. By removing the upper value of speed increase which was 75, im now able to:
Get 4/4/4/4/7 frames fury with a 45ias PB with 0 offhand IAS!

And if i add 40 offhand ias (LOH + HL) im able to get 4/4/4/4/7 frames with a 20ias pb (4 frames grief at crappiest roll possible)

And with 65 wep ias + 40off wep ias u get 3/3/3/3/5 frames!

A berzerk axe with 70ias and 60 off wep ias reach 4 frames attack!

A giant tresher hits 4/4/4/4/7 frames with 35wep ias and 40 off wep ias. With 45 wep ias it reach: 4/4/4/4/6

Cryptic axe(eth tomb reaver):
If base 60ias, you need 90 offwep ias to hit: 4/4/4/4/7 frames
You need 15ias offhand for a 90ias tombreaver to hit 4/4/4/4/7 frames if werewolf add 75skill ias. (this was the same on d2lod according to my calc's)
With a 90ias tombreaver u it 4/4/4/4/6 frames with 30ias offhand.
95ias offhand brings a 90ias tombreaver to 4/4/4/4/5 frames.
Eth tombreaver gets 4/4/4/4/6 frames with 85 wepias if 30 offhand ias.


I wish i had the formula for werebear xD

From level 38 werewolf u get 76 skill ias, and numbers may start to change..
So basicly 5 offhand ias might change it again.
If lvl 38werewolf a eth tombreaver with 85 wep ias needs 25 offwep ias.

Lvl 42 werewolf it change again:
77 skill ias then.
4jalals, 2 eni, 1 hl, 3 torch, 1 annie, 9 skillers, 20 base, 1 bo = 41 (add a soj or arach for lvl 42)

This post was edited by gel87 on Oct 24 2021 03:37am
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Oct 24 2021 04:42am
6 frames is a huuuuuuge buff, rly.

Dont know if other pvp chars will benefits more from thus glitch.
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Oct 24 2021 05:21am
Quote (Chikoulinger @ Oct 24 2021 12:42pm)
6 frames is a huuuuuuge buff, rly.

Dont know if other pvp chars will benefits more from thus glitch.


7frame gmb with forti

vs

6 frame mb with 160/60 armor.

Shapers Will benefit most.

20 HOW
20 Grizzly
Syntenergies to Grizzly
X werebear
X maul
1 shockwave

Now immagine this as a 3 frame attack with beast mauling and ur grizzly attack at ur side.

Or a fury wolf with 4 frame attack from grief pb

This post was edited by gel87 on Oct 24 2021 05:30am
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