A state can be deep red and still be receptive to certain non-conservative policies.

Which doesn't contradict my point at all. In fact it reinforces it.

The bolded part is just not true, not with this degree of generality. New Hampshire is a notoriously swingy state, partisan power flips back and forth wildly there.

https://ballotpedia.org/New_Hampshire_House_of_Representatives

With your line of reasoning, one could have argued just a year ago that NH was on its way to becoming a permanently blue state, having just flipped to blue and having a long-term upward trajectory for Democrats from 2010 through 2018.


I agree that Wisconsin will become a red state, the demographic trends in this direction are too strong. Relative to the nation as a whole, it drifted noticeably to the right from 2016 to 2020, it was R+2.8 in 2016 and R+3.8 in 2020...
Michigan will probably become a swing state, but I dont think it's gonna become a proper red state. Democrats just have too much of an urban and/or black voter base in the state.
Pennsylvania is probably gonna be the epitome of a swing state going forward. The suburban blueshift should balance out the rural redshift, and it's still the blue-trending parts of the state which have the higher growth rates.


Colorado and Virginia are prime examples of states flipping because of demographic change, with a very rapid and sizeable influx of college-educated and/or diverse people turning the political math in the state on its head. I dont see any of that happening in any of the four states you mentioned.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 21 2021 10:40am

You were equating Kentucky with Alabama in terms of being reflexively conservative. I stressed that Kentucky, unlike any state in the Deep South, has lots of ancestrally Democratic areas - and a classical social democratic policy like Obamacare is the exact type of policy that should poll well in state which used to be run by "Labor Democrats".

I agree that the leftist mob is basically a terrorist organization.

we're bouncing around in this post alot.

Kentucky used to be democratic, but was it ever liberal? or was it conservative.

because obamacare is liberal. which Kentucky never really was afaik.

the closest to liberal they ever get is growing illegal pot.

You've lost the thread of the conversation and are nit picking irrelevant details.

Point is when you poll on policy liberal ideas are popular even among conservatives in conservative strongholds. Biden doesn't fight for sensible liberal policy despite their popularity and suffers for it.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jun 21 2021 11:39am

I think liberal and conservative are misleading labels when talking about economic policy. I doubt that Kentucky was far to the right (on a left-right scale) when it comes to economic policy back in the days when coal and blue collar jobs were still going strong, and Kentucky was dominated by labor-friendly Blue Dog Democrats.



The original debate ended when you overplayed your hand and claimed that Obamacare polls "insanely well" "literally everywhere".

Then things got derailed when I called you out on this obvious hyperbole and you responded with the rather weak counterexample of Kentucky, where Obamacare is above water in the most flaccid of ways, and which is perhaps the most favorable deep-red state for a policy like Obamacare.





Anyway, this squabbling is not productive and should end. We both agree that support for Obamacare (and similar policies which expand the social security net) exceeds the electoral support of Democrats, but disagree on the extent of its appeal among Republican voters. Imho, you're simply overrating these polls. Policies which are presented as "you get free stuff and someone else pays for it" always do better in opinion polls than at the ballot box.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 21 2021 11:55am

Since I provided direct counter-examples to your contentions and all you have left is to nit pick hyperbole I see why you want to end it. I'd want to exit the conversation as well if I just got rekt this hard.

Union dominated state politics can't really IMO be categorized as left wing economic policy.

what about the coal dominated economy era with strong union presence reads as liberally economic?