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Nov 22 2020 10:19pm
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This is page 2. Viv's post was on the first page.


Page 2 for me. 4 pages total. Didn't know you could set the options to show more posts per page. Gonna have to fix that
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Nov 22 2020 10:25pm
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Page 2 for me. 4 pages total. Didn't know you could set the options to show more posts per page. Gonna have to fix that


Yeah. 25 posts per page master race.
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Endless really made a whole thread about this and 2 hours later Rudy releases a statement shutting down Endless and his batshit conspiracy bullshit. You made a whole thread bro. You made it to page 2 before someone posted evidence that you're full of shit. It's hilarious to me.


What did Giuliani say? I dont think it relates to the OP specifically.
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Nov 22 2020 10:39pm)
What did Giuliani say? I dont think it relates to the OP specifically.


Honestly dude you owe all of us an apology. Then you owe your mom an apology for being worthless. Then you're going to want to maybe look into apologizing to God. Can't imagine meeting him at the pearly gates is going to go well when you're this fucking stupid.
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Nov 22 2020 10:41pm
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You could easily unite the fringes of the parties on economically populist grounds. The far right and far left both have common economic grievances. Trump increased rural turnout by rallying against trade deals and promising to bring jobs back. That kind of stuff just needs to be changed to have an actual mechanism of improving lives, like universal healthcare and higher education. It's the reason why Bernie polled really well with Trump's coalition.


Yup, and the other way round, there were a surprising number of Bernie supporters in 2016 who then switched over to Trump. United, these two factions would be a force to be reckoned with.
The big thing standing between them is race. Now, the million dollar question: the salience of which issue has been played up like none other over the past ~8 years by corporate america, academia, big media, ngos and many paid political activists?



A combination of economic populism and pan-racial nationalism (as opposed to white nationalism) is the winning formula for the GOP during the 2020s. That's clearly the direction the Trump coalition from 2020 is pointing toward. For all his failings, Trump has proven that you can have a personal brand as an immigration hawk and still appeal to a very large number of hispanics; and that you can emphatically refuse to go woke and still make inroads with blacks. The durability of his support in spite of all his scandals and blunders also shows that the GOP base is willing to forgive/overlook a metric shitton of fuckups if the candidate is in sync with them stylistically and on policy, instead of treating them with thinly veiled condescension like the GOP establishment of old.

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Yup, and the other way round, there were a surprising number of Bernie supporters in 2016 who then switched over to Trump.
The big thing standing between these two factions is race. Now, the million dollar question: the salience of which issue has been played up like none other over the past ~8 years by corporate america, academia, big media, ngos and many paid political activists?
https://i.imgur.com/KbMY1xm.gif

A combination of economic populism and pan-racial nationalism (as opposed to white nationalism) is the winning formula for the GOP during the 2020s. That's clearly the direction the Trump coalition from 2020 is pointing toward. For all his failings, Trump has proven that you can have a personal brand as an immigration hawk and still appeal to a very large number of hispanics; and that you can emphatically refuse to go woke and still make inroads with blacks. The durability of his support in spite of all his scandals and blunders also shows that the GOP base is willing to forgive/overlook a metric shitton of fuckups if the candidate is in sync with them stylistically and on policy, instead of treating them with thinly veiled condescension like the GOP establishment of old.


I mean, Democrats aren't exactly woke. As much as you guys like to paint them as radicals bowing to the woke brigade, getting them to do pretty much anything except pay lip service is damn hard to do. Biden has the authority to totally cancel all student loans, but he is ALREADY BACKTRACKING on his promises to do loan forgiveness. They like to say they want to help but when they actually get the chance they tend to pussy foot around and get nothing done.

Trump took a lot of Hispanics because he constantly played the "BIDEN SOCIALIST" card. Really a testament to how you can get a lot of people to believe stupid shit by just repeating it over and over. Likewise the modern Democratic party doesn't do a lot for blacks. They get the majority because they're not openly hostile like a lot of GOP members are, but I doubt that'll be enough to get the margins they're used to getting with how cynical younger people are compared to the older generations that still credit Democrats with civil rights.

The answer for the Democrats is as plain as day. Every Democrat that endorsed Medicare for all, no matter how competitive the district was, won. Florida passed minimum wage increase in a popular vote while voting for Trump. Young minorities are disenfranchised with the modern Democrat party that doesn't really do shit for them. Economic policies like higher minimum wage, drug and criminal justice reform, and nationalized healthcare would let them sweep the nation FDR style. All of the most popular policies come from what was once upon a time the "far left" and if they would actually embrace it they might actually perform on par with the polls.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Nov 22 2020 10:48pm
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I mean, Democrats aren't exactly woke. As much as you guys like to paint them as radicals bowing to the woke brigade, getting them to do pretty much anything except pay lip service is damn hard to do.

Trump took a lot of Hispanics because he constantly played the "BIDEN SOCIALIST" card. Really a testament to how you can get a lot of people to believe stupid shit by just repeating it over and over. Likewise the modern Democratic party doesn't do a lot for blacks. They get the majority because they're not openly hostile like a lot of GOP members are, but I doubt that'll be enough to get the margins they're used to getting with how cynical younger people are compared to the older generations that still credit Democrats with civil rights.

The answer for the Democrats is as plain as day. Every Democrat that endorsed Medicare for all, no matter how competitive the district was, won. Florida passed minimum wage increase in a popular vote while voting for Trump. Young minorities are disenfranchised with the modern Democrat party that doesn't really do shit for them. Economic policies like higher minimum wage, drug and criminal justice reform, and nationalized healthcare would let them sweep the nation FDR style. All of the most popular policies come from what was once upon a time the "far left" and if they would actually embrace it they might actually perform on par with the polls.


Democrats have worked themselves into a corner in this regard, since the upscale suburbanites defecting over from the GOP are the ones who fueled their wins in 2018 and 2020, and those are the only non-one-percenter group in America that benefits from the economic status quo.

Regarding the "BIDEN SOCIALIST" messaging: this might explain why Cubans in Florida turned on Democrats, but it does not really explain the tectonic shifts in places like the Rio Grande Valley in south Texas, where Trump improved his margins by over 40% in several overwhelmingly hispanic counties along the border. It also doesnt explain why LA county, San Francisco or San Jose shifted 4-5% to the right in 2020. (This shift was definitely not due to these districts' woke whites...)


I'll make a really "bold" claim: a summer full of images of burning cities, widespread looting and all-around mayhem on the streets, embraced and lauded by the Democratic party, didnt do them any favors in many parts of the country, namely in regions without a lot of blacks or wokesters. On the contrary, I think that these images allowed the GOP messaging ("Democrats are crazy and dangerous radicals") to fall on much more fertile ground.
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Nov 23 2020 12:39am
So she didn't even last one Mooch. For shame.
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So she didn't even last one Mooch. For shame.


so she's ousted? that was quick
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 23 2020 12:41am)
Yup, and the other way round, there were a surprising number of Bernie supporters in 2016 who then switched over to Trump. United, these two factions would be a force to be reckoned with.
The big thing standing between them is race. Now, the million dollar question: the salience of which issue has been played up like none other over the past ~8 years by corporate america, academia, big media, ngos and many paid political activists?
https://i.imgur.com/KbMY1xm.gif


A combination of economic populism and pan-racial nationalism (as opposed to white nationalism) is the winning formula for the GOP during the 2020s. That's clearly the direction the Trump coalition from 2020 is pointing toward. For all his failings, Trump has proven that you can have a personal brand as an immigration hawk and still appeal to a very large number of hispanics; and that you can emphatically refuse to go woke and still make inroads with blacks. The durability of his support in spite of all his scandals and blunders also shows that the GOP base is willing to forgive/overlook a metric shitton of fuckups if the candidate is in sync with them stylistically and on policy, instead of treating them with thinly veiled condescension like the GOP establishment of old.


pretty sure the legit latinos usually hate the border jumpers lol
too much competition, driving wagers lower, and their daughters getting impregnated
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