>The USSR and China weren't real communism
You brainwashed fool, obviously they're real communism

>The United States has perpetrated genocide, lacks healthcare for its poor, and kills millions by invading other countries
THAT'S NOT THE REAL FREE MARKET REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

If every capitalist state leads to those things, then capitalists should rightly be called out. The tendency towards exploitation is one of the most frequent criticisms of capitalism, and it's fair to expect that capitalists answer to that.

Every time revolutionary socialism has been implemented, the deaths, oppression, and poverty haven't been far behind.

Do you have any examples of socialist states that were not already unstable dictatorships prior to the coup and that avoided any cia or united nations interference?

Venezuela is a great example of how to successfully run a country into the ground.

Chavista conspiracies nonwithstanding, the CIA has not been actively trying to replace the regime, and American opposition has largely been centered on the clear and obvious drug smuggling to which top members of the regime are clearly complicit.

Every time capitalism has been implemented it resulted in millions of deaths in the third world and subjugation of groups of people to fuel the lifestyles of the first world.

Any time capitalism happens, oppression, deaths, and poverty are used to prop up an elite class, and other countries that try other things get systematically fucked to keep the global elite on their thrones.

Big if true.









Back in reality, capitalism has been the largest driver of income growth in the 3rd world, and has done more to eradicate poverty than all of the charity that has, is, and will be.

Who are you talking to?

Still waiting for you to move to China so we can get a rest from your horseshit



The world population would be 100,000 without capitalism

This is a sub-80 IQ opinion

This post was edited by EndlessSky on Sep 29 2020 10:39pm

Venezuela was a third world dictatorship prior to its revolution, and the cia has clearly meddled in its affairs, what really hurt them however had nothing to do with communism.
The saudi's got in an oil war with russia and tanked oil prices as a show of force.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Sep 29 2020 10:40pm

Venezuela was a democracy and elected Hugo Chavez via the Democratic process. Nor did the CIA make a concerted effort to overthrow the Chavista regime. To the contrary, the United States went so far as to warn Chavez in advance that dissident forces were planning a coup, which was (temporarily) realized in 2002.

The oil price collapse is a non sequitur. Price wars happen, all the more so when dealing with a commodity over which nations exercise an incredible degree of control. But Venezuela was uniquely impacted to the extent that it was. Even states that had non-competitive economies (e.g. Saudi Arabia) had exercised financial prudence in the preceding decade and were in a position to weather the storm. In order to fund the social welfare programs that were the hallmark of the regime, additional revenue had to be extracted from the PDVSA. This came at the expense of investment. The regime needed to exercise political control over PDVSA, and the company saw a corresponding talent drain as well-educated engineers left for greener pastures. The nationalization of oil projects funded by high-tech, Western oil companies had unfortunate long-term repercussions, and Venezuela has been completely unable to develop their natural oil reserves and bring additional fields online.

In short, Venezuela's financial woes are inextricably linked to Chavist socialism. High welfare expenditures, combined with heavy government regulation over the economy, and a resistance to financial reform (lest it lead to austerity) all contributed to a Venezuela that could not exist without extreme outlier oil prices (at one point I believe they need $140 / barrel to break even) that we're unlikely to ever see again. And while Venezuela pre-Chavez struggled with ineffective government and corruption (as do most countries), those problems have only become worse as a result of Venezuela's transition to a singe-party state.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Sep 29 2020 11:25pm

Ok so how much of this is due to communism and how much due to mismanagement, poor budgeting and an over reliance on one resource?