Sick of all the bad stuff happening in the world?
Sick of the compound interest system which devides rich and poor more and more?
Sick of senceless invested Jobs destroying humanity due making us ill, dumb and crazy instead of deviding job times to the ppls we actually got?

Since JSP has one of the only real democratic discussion sections left in the internet, where (mostly) intelligent ppls around, i have to (before its said "you never tried") open this thread for letting us intelligent ppls find the way out of the shit.

So, before we start 1 Rule:
you guys have to accept that real communism has never existed, it was socialism and dont hang on old depressions, look forward.
discuss.

Think about the Fact, that ppl are connected worldwide for many years now, which will never change for future.
Think about removing patent rights.

You Guys want peace on earth? Remove Capitalism first

so you're proposing some type of world wide govt that forces countries to be a massive conglomerate?

-sent from my iPhone

Idk bout you but good stuff has been happening for me in the capitalistic paradise that is canada

What's so terrible about capitalism?

And why do you want to remove patent rights?

This post was edited by duffman316 on Jul 10 2020 11:42am

Removing patent rights so that everything can be copied? Who's going to invest in research if you can't patent your shit. You've got to come up with something better than removing patent rights.

And secondly, hard workers are the salt of the earth. Communism entirely breaks the principle of working hard to build something up for yourself meaning you break the potential and moral of your people. Bad policy if you ask me.

Here is how capitalism takes meaning out of one of man's most meaningful activities: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_theory_of_alienation#Types_of_alienation

It estranges the worker from his product, from his other workers, from a purpose in work, and in other ways.

Now he makes a part of something alone for someone else and receives a portion of the value he creates back to him. The worker goes to work, creates enough value to pay himself, and then work longer to create extra value for someone else to live off of parasitically. Workers pay themselves then pay their owners too in the current system. Entrepreneurship went from one economic factor of production to the tail that is wagging the dog. Entrepreneurship is less important than labor but Americans have internalized values that justify their exploitation like you were just saying

Someone says work hard for yourself, your family, your community, and other people say no, work for the 1%.

You don't think the country that beat us to space worked hard doing it? That's very uneducated.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 10 2020 11:58am

I take it you place greater value on physical labour than on the work that goes into coordinating a mass of individuald with varying talents to accomplish a specific outcome.

Bolded: The soviets that copied the nazi technology kicked their engineers (and nazi prisoners) harder to get to results faster. If you don't know that scientists and engineers working in the USSR on secret projects were basically working in completely isolated places and under huge stresses then you are the one being not so educated.

Secondly I'm not buying your alienation theory at all/ (history shows communism fails everywhere)




This post was edited by Djunior on Jul 10 2020 12:10pm

No. I just think its important. I'm an administrator so i value leadership and planning because that is my role. But the nurses are why we are there. Leaders who were doers tend to be better than those who haven't had that experience IMO.

Rephrase, patients are why we are there. Leaders are best when supporting the workers and not preying on them.

And I'm aware there are good and bad employers in this regard.

I'm not a militant anti-capitalist because i don't have a better alternative to propose. I am exploring ideas in a thread.

Labor theory of value puts all value in labor, for example, when we say diamonds are rare, it means they require a lot of labor to acquire.

Cam will call me a stupid liar for suggesting a theory and link mises.org and say he won an argument that never happened but nobody has been able to trash the LTOV only propose other theories and alternatives, other ways to describe value. In economic terms they are often lacking and much less scientific than Marx.

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We can talk about subcontracting and entrepreneurship and you will see some big problems. Jobs costing 10x more than they should and fucked up immigration systems is the result.

I can go into more detail about this if you like.



Not my theory, it is Karl Marx's theory. I am just espousing it though now at this time.

I supposed you are saying the Soviets just lazily stole the Germans successful space program. Lol. Didn't know the germans were in space, i thought they just had bitchin rockets.

Fucking Space Reich.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 10 2020 12:22pm

There are good and bad employers in a capitalistic society and the worst that can happen is being black balled in a particular industry. Not to mention you are free to criticize your employer and the consequences are at most your job.

When the employer is the always the state and there is no where else to go you get situations like this with much harsher consequences for criticizing your employer. I do believe op is a communist.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/06/xu-zhangrun-outspoken-critic-of-xi-jinping-detained-by-police-in-beijing
Chinese professor Xu Zhangrun, known for his scathing and public criticisms of China’s leader Xi Jinping, has been detained, according to friends of the legal scholar.

Two friends of Xu, speaking on the condition of anonymity to avoid reprisals, told the Guardian that he had been detained on Monday morning. According to one, around 20 police officers and 10 vehicles arrived at his home in Beijing and took Xu away.

According to a statement online, also by a friend of Xu’s, a dozen officers entered his residence, seizing his computer and other items before detaining him.

After publishing several public attacks on the Chinese leadership, Xu was placed under house arrest early this year and barred from social media with his internet cut off.

This post was edited by duffman316 on Jul 10 2020 12:25pm