Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 25 2021 07:20am)
No, the Michigan plot was a case of staggering incompetence, one that required FBI assistance to even get off the ground.
The Capitol saga was a protest that devolved into a riot. That's why no one was armed when even the Michigan bums knew they'd need to be. It's why we have dozens of them taking selfies inside instead of doing absolutely anything else, and it's why the media had to cling to the Sicknick lie for so long. The only people who died were Trump supporters, and they needed an officer death to make the whole "insurrection" argument stick. Incidentally, Biden is still lying about that one, though perhaps in his old age he can't remember, or maybe nobody bothered to tell him.
I think there were several types of people there:
1. Trump/"Stop the Steal" supporters who protested peacefully and didn't do any harm. Some of these people even entered the Capitol but their only crime was trespassing. I'd say that
at least 95% of the people there are in this class.
2. People who were originally there just to protest but ended up succumbing to mob mentality.
3. The ACTUAL insurrectionists who INTENDED to cause serious harm.
It seems to me that people of class 3 wanted to use the people of class 2 and 1 in order to execute their plan. I think every revolution (both successful and failed) intend to use agents of chaos to accomplish their goal. You don't plant bombs in DC, bring zip ties, etc. if you aren't part of class 3.
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 25 2021 05:46am)
Now we're quibbling about the definition of the word "legitimate". Fact of the matter is that even with perfect preparation and execution, this insurrection never had a snowball's chance in hell of achieving a lasting overthrow of the American government, and in this sense, it never was a "legitimate" attempt.
The intention was there, these insurrectionists legitimately wanted to stop and overturn a democratic process (and that is bad enough, dont get me wrong), but the occasion was not.
Of course not. They could have executed Mike Pence and every member of Congress and their goal would have still failed. The reality is that Trump's term would have ENDED regardless. The only question is if Biden would have ended up President regardless of certification and I think he would from a Constitutional perspective.