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Jun 24 2021 06:31pm
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there’s millions of guns in the hands of the military which has posted up a “defense” around the capital for 6 months now


which common citizen has access to fighter jets or nukes? the administration said insurrection is only possible with these weapons (an ironically correct statement) so why are larpers in animal cosplay suddenly to fear?


Why would patriots like Trump and yourself care about soldiers being posted around the US Capitol?
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Jun 24 2021 06:40pm
Biden is telling us what we all already know. A bunch of over-eager Trump supporters breaking into the Capitol with no weapons is an embarrassing disgrace, and their conduct a riot, but clearly not a legitimate attempt to overthrow the government in any sense of the word. Biden doesn't believe it, and if you do you're a sucker.

It's not at all dissimilar to the Democratic response to the "For the People Act". If you really believed that Republicans were waging an all-out assault on American democracy, wouldn't you just ram this through? Wouldn't you take all measures required? But Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi don't, because they understand that it's a performative act, and they're laughing at the people who don't.
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Jun 24 2021 06:52pm
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Biden is telling us what we all already know. A bunch of over-eager Trump supporters breaking into the Capitol with no weapons is an embarrassing disgrace, and their conduct a riot, but clearly not a legitimate attempt to overthrow the government in any sense of the word. Biden doesn't believe it, and if you do you're a sucker.

It's not at all dissimilar to the Democratic response to the "For the People Act". If you really believed that Republicans were waging an all-out assault on American democracy, wouldn't you just ram this through? Wouldn't you take all measures required? But Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi don't, because they understand that it's a performative act, and they're laughing at the people who don't.


I mean it was, it's just that there is a staggering level of incompetence. The right doesn't have any intellectual leaders which is why these morons were stupid enough to BRAG about it and not hide their identities.
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Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 25 2021 02:40am)
Biden is telling us what we all already know. A bunch of over-eager Trump supporters breaking into the Capitol with no weapons is an embarrassing disgrace, and their conduct a riot, but clearly not a legitimate attempt to overthrow the government in any sense of the word. Biden doesn't believe it, and if you do you're a sucker.

It's not at all dissimilar to the Democratic response to the "For the People Act". If you really believed that Republicans were waging an all-out assault on American democracy, wouldn't you just ram this through? Wouldn't you take all measures required? But Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi don't, because they understand that it's a performative act, and they're laughing at the people who don't.


attempts to overthrow a government are planned, this mob storming a terribly secured building was not

the only takeaway is the ridiculous incompetence of the washington security forces to protect one of the most important buildings in the country

in fact, the failure was so bad that its actually legit to have a suspicion that this was done on purpose

the officials in dc did deny trumps offer to send more guys
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I mean it was, it's just that there is a staggering level of incompetence.


Now we're quibbling about the definition of the word "legitimate". Fact of the matter is that even with perfect preparation and execution, this insurrection never had a snowball's chance in hell of achieving a lasting overthrow of the American government, and in this sense, it never was a "legitimate" attempt.

The intention was there, these insurrectionists legitimately wanted to stop and overturn a democratic process (and that is bad enough, dont get me wrong), but the occasion was not.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 25 2021 06:47am
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I mean it was, it's just that there is a staggering level of incompetence. The right doesn't have any intellectual leaders which is why these morons were stupid enough to BRAG about it and not hide their identities.


No, the Michigan plot was a case of staggering incompetence, one that required FBI assistance to even get off the ground.

The Capitol saga was a protest that devolved into a riot. That's why no one was armed when even the Michigan bums knew they'd need to be. It's why we have dozens of them taking selfies inside instead of doing absolutely anything else, and it's why the media had to cling to the Sicknick lie for so long. The only people who died were Trump supporters, and they needed an officer death to make the whole "insurrection" argument stick. Incidentally, Biden is still lying about that one, though perhaps in his old age he can't remember, or maybe nobody bothered to tell him.
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Jun 25 2021 08:59am
Quote (thundercock @ Jun 24 2021 07:52pm)
I mean it was, it's just that there is a staggering level of incompetence. The right doesn't have any intellectual leaders which is why these morons were stupid enough to BRAG about it and not hide their identities.


this is correct. it was 100% an attempt to delay the electoral vote enough that further action could be taken to "stop the steal". it wasn't just a protest, it was a deeply ineffectual and short sighted plot to delay the voting in of Biden so that Trump could somehow with a hail mary retain office. perhaps they figured they could stop the vote long enough that some suit could be filed or SCOTUS would step in. obviously they weren't smart enough to realize reps would sit in lockdown until it was clear and do their duty.

we MUST remember that his qanon following crowd has for nearly a year now been convinced that proof is just around the corner. that the steal is exposed tomorrow. that courts are pending stepping in. that audits are just a short time from beginning. etc. they've thought this from Jan 6th to now.

and for anyone that thinks this is a wildly off base take, read up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot



This post was edited by thesnipa on Jun 25 2021 09:02am
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Jun 25 2021 09:43am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 25 2021 08:46am)
Now we're quibbling about the definition of the word "legitimate". Fact of the matter is that even with perfect preparation and execution, this insurrection never had a snowball's chance in hell of achieving a lasting overthrow of the American government, and in this sense, it never was a "legitimate" attempt.

The intention was there, these insurrectionists legitimately wanted to stop and overturn a democratic process (and that is bad enough, dont get me wrong), but the occasion was not.


Ah, the old German beer hall putsch reasoning

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Ah, the old German beer hall putsch reasoning


I explicitly said that the intention to overthrow the democratic process was there, and that that is bad and worrying enough. :rolleyes:
It's still silly to allege that there was any chance of "success".

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I explicitly said that the intention to overthrow the democratic process was there, and that that is bad and worrying enough. :rolleyes:
It's still silly to allege that there was any chance of "success".


It would be silly to allege those losers could do anything except play Honkey Kong on the walls of the White House.
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