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Quote (GarryGarry @ 23 Jan 2021 08:56)
Eek 😢


making chinese vaccine 25% effective :santa:
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making chinese vaccine 25% effective :santa:


Oh god 😮
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Oh god 😮


fatality

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00121-z

scary stuff:

The lineage carries many mutations in the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein — the immune system’s prime target, which allows the virus to identify and infect host cells — including some changes linked to weakened antibody activity against the virus2,3.

Some people’s plasma performed better against 501Y.V2 than did others’, but in all cases, the neutralizing power was substantially weakened, says de Oliveira. “It’s extremely worrying.”



I stopped to read at "inescapable". Mother nature.
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jan 23 2021 03:40am)
fatality

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00121-z

scary stuff:

The lineage carries many mutations in the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein — the immune system’s prime target, which allows the virus to identify and infect host cells — including some changes linked to weakened antibody activity against the virus2,3.

Some people’s plasma performed better against 501Y.V2 than did others’, but in all cases, the neutralizing power was substantially weakened, says de Oliveira. “It’s extremely worrying.”



I stopped to read at "inescapable". Mother nature.


:cry:

This post was edited by GarryGarry on Jan 23 2021 11:45am
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One aspect we should keep in mind when comparing China with other countries' approach to dealing with covid is that China is HUUUUUUUGE and only had to impose their ultra-strict lockdown in one province accounting for less than 7% of China's population or GDP. The rest of the country provided them additional cops and troops to maintain the strict curfew, it provided food and pharmaceutical equipment, they sent additional nurses and doctors and so on. Had the virus already spread significantly throughout the entire country, the "Wuhan-style" approach would not have been feasible, not even in an authoritarian police state like China.

By the time most Western countries realized that the virus was inside their own borders and getting out of control, it was already too late to pull off this kind of eradication strategy because it had already spread throughout half the country. This whole talk about "we should have handled it like China" or "even now, it would be the best approach to emulate China" is nonsense.

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One aspect we should keep in mind when comparing China with other countries' approach to dealing with covid is that China is HUUUUUUUGE country and only had to impose their ultra-strict lockdown in one province accounting for less than 7% of China's population or GDP. The rest of the country provided them additional cops and troops to maintain the strict curfew, it provided food and pharmaceutical equipment, they sent additional nurses and doctors and so on. Had the virus already spread significantly throughout the entire country, the "Wuhan-style" approach would not have been feasible, not even in an authoritarian police state like China.

By the time most Western countries realized that the virus was inside their own borders and getting out of control, it was already too late to pull off this kind of eradication strategy because it had already spread throughout half the country. This whole talk about "we should have handled it like China" or "even now, it would be the best approach to emulate China" is nonsense.


This shows the strength of authoritarians. They can move swiftly without worrying about public backlash.

The down side is they can also do genocides with similar efficiency
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This shows the strength of authoritarians. They can move swiftly without worrying about public backlash.

The down side is they can also do genocides with similar efficiency


Yes, but that's not the point I was making. My point is that even a country/regime which has all the authoritarian tools at its disposal cannot emulate the Chinese approach unless it hits an exceedingly narrow time window. When we look at other autocratically governed countries around the world - for example Iran, Russia, Turkey, Egypt - it becomes clear that they all fail to contain the virus, most of them are even doing worse than well-run Western democracies (which arent covering themselves in glory either).

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Yes, but that's not the point I was making. My point is that even a country/regime which has all the authoritarian tools at its disposal cannot emulate the Chinese approach unless it hits an exceedingly narrow time window. When we look at other autocratically governed countries around the world - for example Iran, Russia, Turkey, Egypt - it becomes clear that they all fail to contain the virus, most of them are even doing worse than well-run Western democracies (which arent covering themselves in glory either).


China did a lot more than just lock down Wuhan though. They did lots of provincial travel restrictions and had people tracking the spread and shutting down witnesses before we ever had an idea it was happening.
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Jan 23 2021 02:18pm
Larry King died of COVID last night so Trump murdered him by extension. The man really hates the media...
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Larry King died of COVID last night so Trump murdered him by extension. The man really hates the media...


Old person died 10 years above the national average age.

Truly a shocking tragedy
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