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Jan 22 2021 10:24pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 22 2021 11:18pm)
Doctors are specifically trained to take this into account. Theres specific training on evaluating diagnoses in conjunction with false negatives and positives.

Really we should probably be using less sensitive tests that are faster and wont detect non contagious low viral loads. But we have what we have and its better than nothing


Agree with the second point.

That is the one serious policy advantage that Biden has over Trump too.
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Jan 22 2021 11:03pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 22 2021 09:49pm)
PCR was never designed to be a diagnostic test.


you work with what you have

Are you going to CT everyone looking for atypical infiltrates? Are you going to genome testing tens/hundreds of millions across the world

Do you have an alternative? Please don’t say the answer is not to test, I won’t even respond to jere/darkhead diarrhea

Is this fuckin summer 2020, why does this have to be said

This post was edited by Bazi on Jan 22 2021 11:04pm
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you work with what you have

Are you going to CT everyone looking for atypical infiltrates? Are you going to genome testing tens/hundreds of millions across the world

Do you have an alternative? Please don’t say the answer is not to test, I won’t even respond to jere/darkhead diarrhea


You can throw $30k per person away into a furnace or you can do what China is doing and let an 80 year old die 6 years early.
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You can throw $30k per person away into a furnace or you can do what China is doing and let an 80 year old die 6 years early.


That is not remotely accurate to what China did

China successfully locked down their population with measures that were not going to happen here and mandated CT scans on man/women/children in hot spots , forcefully isolating those who scanned potentially positive for 14 days. As a result they never had community spread to the extent we did.

Jere is gone u can’t get away with blatant lies like this anymore, that standard has increased again
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Quote (Bazi @ Jan 23 2021 12:39am)
That is not remotely accurate to what China did

China successfully locked down their population with measures that were not going to happen here and mandated CT scans on man/women/children in hot spots , forcefully isolating those who scanned potentially positive for 14 days. As a result they never had community spread to the extent we did.

Jere is gone u can’t get away with blatant lies like this anymore, that standard has increased again


What are the deaths rates in china?

Oh, they lied about them?

We still don't know?

What a surprise!
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 22 2021 09:45pm)
What are the deaths rates in china?

Oh, they lied about them?

We still don't know?

What a surprise!


It's largely unknown but they committed some pretty horrific violations of civil liberties. They had police taking temperature at every apartment entrance/exit. They would kidnap you if you had a fever and put you into an isolation camp.
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 22 2021 11:45pm)
What are the deaths rates in china?

Oh, they lied about them?

We still don't know?

What a surprise!


what you don't know is not relevant, no point to speculate either way. sure I agree they deflated their numbers, however that's not what I was arguing with

Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 22 2021 11:05pm)
You can throw $30k per person away into a furnace or you can do what China is doing and let an 80 year old die 6 years early.


what's relevant is what we know. what we know is they took an extremely authoritative response. opposite of what you are telling yourself, and absolute opposite of what we did in the states.


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Quote (GarryGarry @ 23 Jan 2021 02:22)
still 80% which is still better than flu vaccine


This is the point, yet we have fixed vaccine for fixed strain or range of strains, but later this may end up like flu vaccination problematic. (deadlier version)

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/new-sars-cov-2-variant-could-evade-antibodies-68375

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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jan 23 2021 02:37am)
This is the point, yet we have fixed vaccine for fixed strain or range of strains, but later this may end up like flu vaccination problematic. (deadlier version)

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/new-sars-cov-2-variant-could-evade-antibodies-68375


Eek 😢
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