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Dec 9 2019 06:38pm
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/09/inspector-generals-report-russia-key-takeaways-079030

1. The FBI did not use the Steele dossier to open Russia probe
2. Lynch, Comey sat for IG interviews
3. No evidence political bias was a factor
4. Peter Strzok and Lisa Page were not decision-makers
5. Carter Page was the only Trump official under FISA surveillance
6. First Carter Page FISA contained seven significant inaccuracies and omissions
7. Steele dropped as FBI source after Mother Jones article
8. Steele had prior relationship with Ivanka Trump
9. Manafort was under investigation prior to Russia probe scrutiny

So, quite a few GOP talking points were debunked in this report but they are definitely going to latch onto items 5 and 6. I think we can all agree that this needs to be addressed in a significant way.
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Quote (thundercock @ Dec 9 2019 07:38pm)
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/09/inspector-generals-report-russia-key-takeaways-079030

1. The FBI did not use the Steele dossier to open Russia probe
2. Lynch, Comey sat for IG interviews
3. No evidence political bias was a factor
4. Peter Strzok and Lisa Page were not decision-makers
5. Carter Page was the only Trump official under FISA surveillance
6. First Carter Page FISA contained seven significant inaccuracies and omissions
7. Steele dropped as FBI source after Mother Jones article
8. Steele had prior relationship with Ivanka Trump
9. Manafort was under investigation prior to Russia probe scrutiny

So, quite a few GOP talking points were debunked in this report but they are definitely going to latch onto items 5 and 6. I think we can all agree that this needs to be addressed in a significant way.

#1. that's stated in an odd way to avoid the facts. it was used to start investigations into people on and close to his campaign.
#2. correct
#3. there is no "documentary" or "testimonial" evidence of political bias. "evidence" of bias still does exist.
#4. they were not decision makers on the very specific installment of the FISC application. they were in other aspects of the investigations.
#5. the others weren't even in his campaign and were still under surveillance....
#6. not only were there inaccuracies and omissions on the first warrant, but allowed it to continually be renewed.
#7. yes, it looked pretty bad.
#8. didn't know that, i'm interested in learning more.
#9. true, and if i remember correctly, for good reason. but it didn't involve trump.
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Dec 9 2019 07:16pm
Quote (thundercock @ Dec 9 2019 06:38pm)
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/09/inspector-generals-report-russia-key-takeaways-079030

1. The FBI did not use the Steele dossier to open Russia probe
2. Lynch, Comey sat for IG interviews
3. No evidence political bias was a factor
4. Peter Strzok and Lisa Page were not decision-makers
5. Carter Page was the only Trump official under FISA surveillance
6. First Carter Page FISA contained seven significant inaccuracies and omissions
7. Steele dropped as FBI source after Mother Jones article
8. Steele had prior relationship with Ivanka Trump
9. Manafort was under investigation prior to Russia probe scrutiny

So, quite a few GOP talking points were debunked in this report but they are definitely going to latch onto items 5 and 6. I think we can all agree that this needs to be addressed in a significant way.


The Trump side was more interested in theories over deep state FBI agents scheming to undermine Trump, but the FISA report was setting out to examine whether the entire FISA system itself was valid or not, and everything IG Horowitz had to say was the worst case scenario for FISA abuses: Violations were completely routine and epidemic, safeguards ignored or nonexistent, not even a pretense of honoring the 4th amendment, and the abuses were present in every single team up and down the whole leadership chain from top to bottom.

If you were a Trump partisan its a bad report because it doesn't scream "MUH DEEP STATE CONSPIRACY" at fever pitch, and if you were an anti-Trump partisan it still isn't a good report because it gives the Trump side plenty of fodder to talk about the abuses. But if you were a civil libertarian who actually cares about the constitution, then its as bad as it could be, because it shows not only a culture of totally unconstitutional spying without probable cause but also doesn't even pretend to make the systemic fixes needed
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Dec 9 2019 07:18pm
ctrl+f "corney"
that's c o r n e y, no m
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Dec 9 2019 09:06pm
FISA report
https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf
pg. 177 (reading through to pg. 180 isn't a bad idea)
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III. The FBI Disseminates the Steele Reporting to the U.S. Intelligence
Community and Seeks to Have It Included in the January 2017
Intelligence Community Assessment
According to the Supervisory Intelligence Analyst (Supervisory Intel Analyst),
the FBI first shared Steele's reporting with other U.S. government intelligence
agencies in December 2016, when the FBI provided it to an interagency ICA
drafting team that was set up in response to a request from President Obama to
complete a comprehensive assessment of the Russian government's intentions and
actions concerning the 2016 elections.
323 Members of the interagency ICA drafting
team from the FBI, National Security Agency (NSA), and Central Intelligence
Agency (CIA), with oversight from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence
(ODNI), worked jointly to prepare a report known as the Intelligence Community
Assessment {ICA). As part of these efforts, both Priestap and the FBI's Section
Chief of CD's Analysis Section 1 {Intel Section Chief) wrote to the CIA in separate
correspondence and described Steele as "reliable."


ICA report
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
pg. 1
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Putin most likely wanted to discredit Secretary Clinton because he has publicly blamed her since 2011 for inciting mass protests against his regime in late 2011 and early 2012, and because he holds a grudge for comments he almost certainly saw as disparaging him

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Putin publicly indicated a preference for President-elect Trump’s stated policy to work with Russia, and pro-Kremlin figures spoke highly about what they saw as his Russia-friendly positions on Syria and Ukraine. Putin publicly contrasted the President-elect’s approach to Russia with Secretary Clinton’s “aggressive rhetoric.”

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Moscow also saw the election of President-elect Trump as a way to achieve an international counterterrorism coalition against the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).


i'll refer you to pg. 2 of my jsp thread making mention of this.
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=81787808&f=119&o=10


adding Comey investigation report:
Dec. 29th 2016 - Jan. 10th 2017: these are key dates. the Comey report mostly focuses on Jan 6th. (also in the other jsp thread listed above)
https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2019/o1902.pdf

A Review of Various Actions by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Justice in Advance of the 2016 Election
https://www.justice.gov/file/1071991/download
i'm also adding this in just to have a link of it handily in post.


This post was edited by tagged4nothing on Dec 9 2019 09:18pm
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Dec 9 2019 11:33pm
Durham released a statement today about this report.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/statement-us-attorney-john-h-durham
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Statement of U.S. Attorney John H. Durham
“I have the utmost respect for the mission of the Office of Inspector General and the comprehensive work that went into the report prepared by Mr. Horowitz and his staff. However, our investigation is not limited to developing information from within component parts of the Justice Department. Our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S. Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened.”


i'm going to say one thing. a lot of republicans are trying to discredit Horowitz in media. (not Durham's statement, media statements)

Horowitz does a great job at what he does and is very thorough. the information is there to read, the total investigation is not over.
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Dec 10 2019 05:53am
leave it to reason to see the forest for the trees while everyone else doesn't;
https://reason.com/2019/12/09/ig-report-fbi-fisa-carter-page-trump-media/

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The IG Report Is a Huge Blow to the FBI's Credibility. Why Is It Being Treated Like Vindication?
....
Many in the media have focused on the fact that the IG report failed to turn up any evidence that the FBI's investigation of the Trump campaign's possible connections to Russia was politically motivated. The Washington Post's key takeaway was that the report amounted to a "triple rebuke" of the president and his allies. CNN's article led with "conspiracy theories debunked" and called the Russia probe "legal and unbiased," before conceding "serious mistakes" that the network predominantly attributed to a "low level FBI lawyer." In general, the Trump-critical mainstream media has treated the faltering of the most fervent pro-Trump partisans' conspiracy theory about a deep state coup as some kind of full acquittal of the FBI. It's not. The IG report is a chronicle of massive government wrongdoing.


Horowitz released a report showing the FBI was given a secret court system and wiretap power on the pinky promise that it wouldn't abuse it and then completely ignored all its supposed safeguards and abused it wantonly
He revealed that the abuses were so widespread and comprehensive that every FBI team involved, everyone from the lowest agents up to top leadership was ignoring the procedures and trampling on the 4th amendment.

And somehow the media narrative has been that the FBI is vindicated. Not Carter Page
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Dec 10 2019 10:01am
https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/10/ig-report-confirms-schiff-fisa-memo-media-praised-was-riddled-with-lies/#.Xe-auL_JUUM.twitter

Adam Schiff makes a series of ridiculous claims and the media laps it up. Now we learn that Nunes was largely accurate in his initial assessment.
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Dec 10 2019 10:06am
Quote (bogie160 @ 10 Dec 2019 17:01)
https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/10/ig-report-confirms-schiff-fisa-memo-media-praised-was-riddled-with-lies/#.Xe-auL_JUUM.twitter

Adam Schiff makes a series of ridiculous claims and the media laps it up. Now we learn that Nunes was largely accurate in his initial assessment.


Oh it's the same Mollie Hemingway, who want to believe a pro-Trump commentator anyway ?
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Dec 10 2019 10:16am
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Oh it's the same Mollie Hemingway, who want to believe a pro-Trump commentator anyway ?





Baguette boy arrives on the scene and everyone.... yawns.
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