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Aug 15 2019 06:21pm
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From what I've seen Harris is good, but I can't stand by that statement. My days of having enough time to follow that stuff ended a few years ago with marriage and salaried job. Thanks Obama.


Hmm...

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basically, we ate a turd sandwitch, then we were given a glass of piss to wash it down, so the turd sandwitch is our fault because we drank piss?

Obama expanded the power and scope of EOs, got very little done legislatively, and did little to calm racial tensions surrounding a great number of issues.

he was neither centrist nor even remotely as ineffectual as Trump, but he got basically nothing done.

His list of accomplishments rest on:

1. Obamacare, which in hindsight was terrible done and heavily weighted to insurance companies
2. on-par economic recover, neither meteoric nor sluggish
3. Gay Marriage (he had nothing to do with it)
4. ineffectual "armor piercing" ammo ban

he didn't get any movement on CJ reform besides a few clemencies which is standard even for GOP potuses. he didnt do anything to curb the war on drugs. he didnt reform taxes or entitlements through the legislature. He didnt get any mental health reform. He oversaw the continued bailouts for the banks who caused the housing crisis and economic depression.

basically he was a change candidate that scared the GOP voters into killing his mandate, so he spent 6/8 years with no senate to approve anything. Just like Trump will be. they're gridlock POTUSes who promised the moon but delivered a 25 cent moonpie.


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Obama expanded EOs, but I think most of his were well placed, such as DACA.


I'm relatively neutral on DACA, but my big gripe with it is the fact that Obama was able to create it through an EO, but Trump couldnt end it with an EO of his own. Like.. what the actual fuck?


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I also think that the GOP tied Obama's hands. Economists wanted a larger stimulus but that couldn't get the votes. Many of the members of this forum were against it and advocated for the austerity measures that became popular in Europe. Well, I think time has shown that Europe really suffered from the 2009-2011 austerity measures. Research for yourself if you want.


The problem in Europe does not lie with austerity itself, it lies with the fundamental misconstruction of the Eurozone:

The economies within the Eurozone are just too different in their size, productivity, orientation and fiscal culture. The Euro is far too soft for countries like Germany or the Netherlands, while it is far too strong for countries like Greece or Italy. Removing the ability for Southern Europe to devalue relative to Northern Europe creates a total gridlock: internal depreciation in Southern Europe through austerity, cuts to unemployment benefits and so on, is brutal on their population and only politically feasible to a limited degree. The establishment of a permanent tranfer union from the North to the South would be a scam for the Northern European population and hardly politically feasible there. Acknowledging defeat and going for a controlled unrolling of the Euro is not feasible for political reasons. And the ECB jumping in and keeping the Euro alive with ridiculously low interest rates and expansion of its balance sheet is something that cannot be kept up indefinitely. On top, the interest rates at around zero mean that the Eurozone is in for a very rough buttfucking when the next recession hits.

None of these issues apply to the U.S., and the Federal Reserve basically handled the Great Recession as good as it could. The recovery was gonna come sooner or later anyway, so not passing an even larger stimulus imho was the right call.

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I think he is very damnable for maintaining and expanding the domestic spying of all Americans. My god. Just go back and watch the movie Enemy of the State... it's almost a comedy today.


That movie was almost prescient. Although I sometimes wonder if reality didnt already surpass fiction even back then...


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I think a lot of Santara's gripes were things outside his realm. Fast and Furious? The IRS targeting? I doubt he had any knowledge before the fact.


Wasnt Obama known for micromanaging military operations to an unprecedented degree? What makes you think he applied less micromanagement to other departments?


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I haven't inspected the 2020 Dem candidates all that much. From what I've seen Harris is good, but I can't stand by that statement.


She's the worst of them all. She's the agent of the donor class. Neoliberal economic policies coupled with toxic, divisive identity politics on steroids.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/08/09/kamala-harris-2020-president-profile-san-francisco-elite-227611



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I think the failure to properly address the opiod crisis, plus Syria, were two stains on his presidency.


What about Libya? Syria had turned into a clusterfuck very quickly. Within the blink of an eye, there were only horrendous options left in Syria.
But the intervention in Libya really wasnt necessary, and destablized the entire region needlessly. The European refugee crisis was exacerbated a lot by destabilizing Libya, and led to right-wing populists taking over many governments since 2015.


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I also admire Obama's second-term accomplishments. The Iran-nuclear deal. Normalization of diplomacy with Cuba. The Paris accords. The TransPacific Partnership. I guess it's probably underdesirable now since the country elected a man who shit all over all of those to, really, our great peril, but whatevs. Trump couldn't get a treaty done with himself let alone with anyone else.


Imho, Obama's first term was ok, but the second term was terrible and full of bad decisions.

The Iran-nuclear deal sounded good on paper: lift sanction in return for nuclear control. The idea was that the lifted sanctions would spur economic growth which would help the suffering Iranian people and lead to a democratization. Back when the deal was signed, I also supported it and found this logic convincing. But reality proved the Iran nuclear deal to be an unmitigated failure: the conditions were such that true nuclear arms control wasnt possible, and the Iranian regime became even more oppressive and used all the freed-up money to fund its proxy wars in Syria and Yemen, further destabilizing the region.

The Paris Climate Agreement is a well-sounding piece of paper, but entirely ineffectual. It's main purpose is to silence the conscience of the "ecologically woke" voters in the West.

The Cuban regime has gotten more oppressive in recent years, so toughening up the diplomacy again is justified.

The TPP would have caused additional harm to American workers, and whether it could have achieved its inofficial but true goal of containing China is highly questionable.


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In summary, I felt very positive about where we were headed as a country and a world in 2016.


No offense, but if you still felt that way in 2016 , you werent paying attention. The coming storm was clear to see by then.


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Most of the world's largest economies are either in recession or dangerously close.


Not surprising after a decade-long economic expansion. Trump's trade war with China and the struggles in Europe of course contribute to the worsening economic outlook, dont get me wrong, but even without Trump, a recession would have been due by now. I actually think that it would have happened 2 years earlier without the Trump tax cuts.


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We have close to no ammunition to pad the blow of another recession unless we want even more debt-financed tax cuts.


Your main interest rate is still above 2%, lol. Here in Europe, we're still at 0%...


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Global climate change is almost assuredly going to ravage the world.


The bitter truth is that the amount of change and sacrifice necessary to really prevent climate change will never ever be able to attract enough public support in democracies. The actions which would be necessary for truly stopping climate change will never be politically feasible. Particularly not simultaneously in dozens of key countries across the globe.


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And though they had a god damn super majority for 2 years, the GOP did absolutely nothing to tackle Social Security, Medicare, or basically anything that could be considered "a problem" in almost any sense of the word.


The crucial difference between the GOP 2017-2018 is that the GOP didnt have a filibuster-proof supermajority of 60+ votes. From 2009-2010, the Democrats did have 60 votes, and that's the sole reason they were able to pass Obamacare.
No matter how many times political commentators keep repeating this talking point, the GOP did not have the necessary majorities in 2017-2018 to pass major non-fiscal legislation on their own without Democratic support.

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Because I'm racist I feel like I should comment but I actually loved Obama.
Theres no way he's involved in the trump/clinton pedo rings, nor is he gay, because he's a Muslim.
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