Well there's nothing to say about the crybaby ad hominem jazz.

And does jsp still sell bots? I don't think the history of jsp really matters.

Anything that makes trading easier for people will making it easier for botters. So, I don't get the argument that we should make trading harder because botters would be less likely to play.

This post was edited by ishthefish on Jun 21 2019 01:53am

Oh of course you can. I'm saying that if you're a mass murderer, you cant criticise another mass murderer for doing it better than you.

Both offenses are equivalent in the sense that it is a breach of the Blizzard EULA and the damages are to Blizzard. Hence players complaining about bots is irrelevant to this issue.

Ive read this thread before

Are you conceding that all the players that don't use jsp have a valid point? Lucky for you, you can just ignore their point of view because they're not present.

My ladder necromancer is level 75. I haven't started to get bored yet and I've almost gotten the entire Trang Oul set. While I've had some luck with crafting and item drops, the situation with botting and this marketplace has led to two main factors in how my in-game trading experience has been:
1. Most stuff I find isn't worth anything to anyone that bots, buys items, or has friends that do either of these.
2. Most upgrades for my necro that aren't worth much here are easy to trade for in-game despite factor 1.
3. The best way to gear up for endgame pvp in-game without third party stuff is still to trade with friends as you go along. It's just much easier if your friends bot.

A bit more into what I expect to go through this season: at some point soon, I will get bored of corpse exploding on a low geared Necromancer and will instead get back to slapping the gear I traded for at the end of last ladder onto my nonladder characters. I'll still play ladder randomly and end up pvping on there too. I wouldn't bother trading fg for ladder gear now. I prefer to accumulate fg during the ladder and then trade for cheaper pvp items to play with on nonladder.

This is just how the game is if you don't wish to bot and you can take it and run with it or leave it. I wouldn't say any season I ever played was over prematurely. I would say that the official Battle.net realms are a black market-driven whored out hackfest exploited shell of what they could be. PvM and PvP in this game, in many cases, stand for Program vs Monster and Program vs Program (though many love to Program vs Player too).

you never build perf chara in ld and thats why its fun, top end pvp is decreased to some cookie cutter builds what makes it boring, all the fun is building unperfect crazy chars and testing them on other players



nld is a PLAGUE, pvp is imbalanced due to bugged items, hybrids and mass dupes, also there is tons of every kind of hackers LOL



most ppl play ld, there are a lot noobs and activities like rushes, runs, pk noobs, scams, pubs, overall gm/bm ect ect = fun

Twice per year.
Every year.
Every ladder.

Meanwhile others earn good fg offering services while people complain their peasant crown isn't selling for 150fg.

tldr: QQ
Moving forward when ladder reset?
I know some of you here your uncle probably still working for blizzard lmk ty

Well nonjsp users probably wouldn’t be complaining about depreciation on jsp - but if they did, their point wouldn’t be hypocritical yes.

I’m not saying that botting is necessarily a good thing, i’m Saying that you need to measure it’s impact on the game using quantifiable data. And saying cheaters accusing others of cheating is laughable.

people not on JSP are mad that bots that sell items to jsp users are devaluing the currency of jsp, which they dont use?