Gulf Of Oman Tanker Attacks - Topic

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Jun 26 2019 08:25am

Quote (bogie160 @ 26 Jun 2019 13:49)

Is it good for the United States? Probably not, but allowing rogue states to do what they want in a sensitive region is worse. Push comes to shove, and the people in charge of making that decision won't have a problem with war.

how do you square that with trump's chummy relationship with the biggest state sponsor of terrorism and main aggressor (responsible for the biggest humanitarian crisis in the world right now, the war in yemen) in that region, saudi arabia? they are even worse than iran in about every single way...

it's a flimsy narrative to begin with, considering the real motives america had and still has in the region, and the damage they have done, while officially just trying to promote democracy - but it completely falls apart when you look at who they chose as their allies...

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Jun 26 2019 11:32am

Quote (fender @ Jun 26 2019 04:25pm)

Saudi doesn't do what they want. Saudi does what USA wants

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Jun 26 2019 12:10pm

Quote (Algorhythm @ 26 Jun 2019 18:32)

Saudi doesn't do what they want. Saudi does what USA wants :)

pretty sure the usa did not want murdered reporters, state sponsored terrorism, and a massive humanitarian crisis in yemen - even though the supported it militarily. the saudis are very much acting in their own interest, the main difference is that they quite literally bought approval / acceptance from america through weapon, oil, and other business deals...

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Jun 26 2019 01:37pm

Quote (fender @ Jun 26 2019 08:10pm)

pretty sure the usa did not want murdered reporters, state sponsored terrorism, and a massive humanitarian crisis in yemen - even though the supported it militarily.

Reporter - nope lol, that one is on Saudi alone.
Yeman - Part of fight against Iran. USA 100% behind it. The reason for the humanitarian crisis is because of the tenacity of pro Iranian Houthi paramilitaries, they couldn't achieve military objectives so they started targeting the entire supporting populations.
State sponsored terrorism - You should search for recent statements by Saudi crown prince himself who said the USA asked them to spread extremist ideology. Not that that is a shocking revelation, in many parts of middle east it is common knowledge. It started in 1979 vs USSR but also vs revolutionary Iran as a way to contain it.

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Jun 29 2019 05:26pm

Update TL:DR:
Iran negotiations with EU to circumvent US sanctions fail.
Iran to enrich uranium beyond nuclear deal limits.
US deploys F22s in Qatar for first time.

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Jun 29 2019 05:36pm

Quote (Algorhythm @ 30 Jun 2019 00:26)

Update TL:DR:
Iran negotiations with EU to circumvent US sanctions fail.
Iran to enrich uranium beyond nuclear deal limits.
US deploys F22s in Qatar for first time.

I don't any of this in my news.

/e more things like this:

EU mechanism for trade with Iran 'now operational'

https://www.dw.com/en/eu-mechanism-for-trade-with-iran-now-operational/a-49407662

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Jun 29 2019 07:13pm

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jun 30 2019 01:36am)

I don't any of this in my news.

/e more things like this:

EU mechanism for trade with Iran 'now operational'

https://www.dw.com/en/eu-mechanism-for-trade-with-iran-now-operational/a-49407662

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DUBAI (Reuters) - Iran will soon exceed an enriched uranium limit under its nuclear deal, after remaining signatories to the pact fell short of Tehran’s demands to be shielded from U.S. sanctions, the semi-official Fars news agency cited an “informed source” as saying.

Iran’s envoy to a meeting of the remaining signatories to the 2015 nuclear accord said on Friday that European countries had offered too little at last-ditch talks to persuade Tehran to back off from its plans to breach limits imposed by the deal.

“As the commission meeting in Vienna could not satisfy Iran’s just demands ... Iran is determined to cut it commitments to the deal and the 300 kg enriched uranium limit will be soon breached,” the unnamed source said, according to Fars.

Source : https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-limit/iran-to-soon-exceed-enriched-uranium-limit-under-nuclear-pact-fars-news-agency-iduskcn1tu0ou

Its not official official, but thats what the vibe is like atm.
The EU mechanism offered won't allow Iran to sell oil in any meaningful manner.

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Jul 3 2019 06:15pm

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Jul 5 2019 11:59am

UK royal marines at Gibraltar seize Iranian loaded oil tanker claiming it was heading to Syria and that is in violation of EU sanctions on Syria.
Spain which disputes UK's claim on the territory claimed this was done on behalf of USA.
Iran says if tanker not released, they will in turn seize a British tanker.

This post was edited by Algorhythm on Jul 5 2019 12:10pm

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Jul 5 2019 12:12pm

Quote (Algorhythm @ Jul 5 2019 08:59pm)

Since when do sanctions imply ships can be pirated in international waters?

Pretty sure this seizure is illegal under international law, someone correct me if am mistaken.
Either way, USA must be desperate to pressure Iran into a deal and cut their influence in Syria if they are resorting to this.
If there is no rush and Iran will crumble in time due to sanctions why resort to such measures.

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