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overpayment of beagle and myers are part of the problem as well, but at least they still bring a lot to the team and playing up to their contract. They're not just eating the cap doing fuck all like Eriksson. Myers averages 20+min a night, beagle is paid 3x more than graovac, Boyd, and other 4c's but he still has higher cf%, much higher faceoff wins, all despite being much older and deployed nearly 70% in the dZone against hard competition when horvat is on the bench resting. Those 4c gets about fair ozone and dZone deployments but lose more faceoffs than winning it, and gets caved in and loses possession much worse than beagle.
Also, what does signing tanev for 4.5m + 1.5m mil accomplish exactly? Myers still ate a lot of minutes while tanev was with the team. He actually averaged more minutes. Let's take your ez example, If tanev was around instead of myers, who is going to play 20+ min a night instead of myers? It will still be chatfield, rafferty. No? Unless you think another 1.5m RHD dmen will do it much better...?
I agree myers is not top 4 in a good team with d depth, but Canucks does not have this though. So saying he's not needed is baffling to me, but at the same time you wanna lock up tanev 4.5m for 4 more years... Cuz the 1.5m dmen playing 3rd pair makes more sense to fill the myers void =s That only makes sense if the team is built from net and d out imo. The team literally only has Schmidt locked up, without counting myers. I mean Hughes will be eventually too but as of now it's just him. The other alternative to fill those roster spots with NHLers are through a trade of free agency... Which Benning has been desperately trying to do before overpaying for myers. It definitely didn't go so well cuz most of those cheap short term dmen are floating around different teams as fringe NHLers or not even in the league. Myers brings some stability to the backend of this joke dcore
Going to bring this in here 'cause I doubt the others care.
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What?
The reason we have bunch ofbahlers in the lineup is because fans wanted green to play them instead of nhlers cuz of the meaningless games left and injuries.
I'm not talking about end of the season, I'm talking overall.
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overpayment of beagle and myers are part of the problem as well, but at least they still bring a lot to the team and playing up to their contract.
How can they both be overpaid and playing up to their contract? Those are opposite things.
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Also, what does signing tanev for 4.5m + 1.5m mil accomplish exactly?
A better player for less money? It's pretty self-explanatory.
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Myers still ate a lot of minutes while tanev was with the team. He actually averaged more minutes.
So? Bad players get ice-time all the time. Remember Gudbranson and Sbisa? They were regular 20 minute guys here for multiple years each, does that mean they were in any way good or valuable? I'm not saying Myers is a comparable but ice-time is a dumb argument.
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If tanev was around instead of myers, who is going to play 20+ min a night instead of myers?
Tanev would...? lol
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So saying he's not needed is baffling to me
Opportunity cost. You don't just give a guy 6M because you have free space and you need D-men. You have to be a lot smarter than that.
I'm not sure if you've misunderstood me or what. All I'm saying is that I rather have Tanev than Myers, which most people would agree with, and Tanev is cheaper so that you can spend that money elsewhere, wherever you need it. For example, Virtanen's money + that 1.5M = Toffoli.
Benning signed Myers because he's simply not smart enough to contemplate opportunity cost and multiple scenearios at one time. His thinking was pretty much:
- Need defense; D-man = better team
- There are D-men in free-agency
- Get D-man at all costs
I rather have 6M of free space to play with than Myers @ 6M. I wouldn't want Horvat at 8M, or Boeser at 9M or Tanev at 6M or whatever.
There are times when it makes sense to overpay for something you need. I don't think Myers was one of those occasions.
This post was edited by LuLer on May 24 2021 10:19pm