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Dec 12 2010 09:11pm
whats the best 5 day split to work all muscle groups and i want to bench twice in that split

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Dec 13 2010 01:00am
Hey there,

Thank you very much for hosting this thread.

Here is my issue (and I will happily donate fg for an excellent answer)

I am 5'10.5" 240 with broad shoulders, big bones etc. but definitely some fat on me. I was in great shape 3 years ago, but a drunk driver hit me, damaging my posterior cruciate ligaments and my L1S5 disc in my lumbar spine.

Since then, it has been hard to work out, and since I have been in college I have had a bit harder time with routine and diet. What I am looking for is an appropriate lifestyle change (not diet, because I want to get in and stay in shape, so nothing temp) to drop down to around 200 and what exercises you would recommend (as well as frequency) to aid in the weight loss etc.

I would really appreciate any help you could offer, doing it on my own has gone poorly.

-Steve
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Dec 13 2010 01:26am
Quote (SyB_BaM @ Dec 12 2010 12:21pm)
Do I need any ''Deload'' weeks when going to gym?

I've soon been going to gym in 1 year, and almost never missed a workout day.

Just wonder if a deload week would be good, heard some doing this, dunno if I need or anything.

Also, in 1 week, I'm going to party, can I still hit the gym that party day, and then party and day after also gym ^^ ?



You definitely need some time off....take 1-2 weeks off of the gym as soon as possible. Generally it's good to do something like this

3 months of 5 on 2 off (bulk)
5 days off
3 months of 3 on 1 off (maintenance)
5 days off
3 months of 6 on 1 off (cut)
5 days off
3 months of 3 on 1 off (maintenance)
5 days off

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Dec 13 2010 01:27am
Quote (ishr @ Dec 12 2010 06:37pm)
First, I want to thank you for the help you've given to everyone and that we do appreciate it a lot.  Second, I'm very new to this so I might have made some mistakes in explaining my goals, etc. so please don't hesitate to offer critiques on anything (are my goals even reasonable?)  Although I am posting in SKCRaynor's thread, I also welcome any other people's tips, comments and help.

Age: 23
Height: 5'9" (175 cm)
Weight: 134 lb (61 kg)
Goals: 154 lb (70 kg) a six pack and some upper body muscle mass would be nice

A little about me: I am not a stranger to exercise having played for my high school soccer and tennis teams.  At that time my weight was about 136-141 lb (62-64 kg) during the sports seasons, and 143-150 lb (65-68 kg) in the off-season.  I noticed that whenever the off-season came, my weight would balloon up for a month or two since I was eating as much as before but not still going to 5/week 2-hour team practices.  However my training for those sports never involved the gym and was on-the-field guided by our coach.  Since going to college my fitness has decreased drastically and for many years I wouldn't even get 1 day of exercise in per week.  I wasn't terribly bothered by this, however, because my weight almost seemed permanently stuck in the 128-132 lb (58-60 kg) range, no matter what I did, eating/exercise wise.  I never cared too much about how my body ended up looking so long as I had the endurance & skill to excel in those sports.  I enjoy sports of nearly any kind but I guess I've reached a point where I think it might be nice to add some definition and form to my physique.  I have almost NO experience in the gym, and I am not a very good eater; I tend to skip meals, etc.  I'm just looking for ways to quickly hit my goals.  I have a lot of time & money to devote to this goal so hopefully that won't be an issue in the responses.  I'm particularly looking for:

1) Resources to help with vocabulary - I have a hard time understanding what people are talking about sometimes on this forum because these terms are new to me, despite my being in the medical field.
2) A workout regimen AND schedule appropriate to my current physique and goals
3) Diet guidelines including any supplements

I'm really sorry if this isn't the usual format or if the way I'm approaching this is straight up wrong.  As I said I'm very new to this and would welcome any feedback.



Hey there. Welcome.

You really need to read up on some of my past info which will help you IMMENSELY.

once you have read up accordingly...post again and hopefully I can clear up any questions you may have.


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&p=298006373

Compilation 1

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&p=298250196

Compilation 2

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&p=298250791

Compilation 3

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&p=321315004

5x5 plan


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&p=327158583

Hypertrophy Plan

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=330745031

Abs Workout Routine


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=331184643

Circuit Stations


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=331689983

GH Supplements
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=331731288

Bodyweight exercises



http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=332710367

Creatine Dosing
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=335896241

Bulking Diet, workout, and supplement guide


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=335958561

Improving running endurance and distance


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=337078542

Supplement Guide


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=337501104

Macro Guide
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Dec 13 2010 01:29am
Quote (TheOak @ Dec 12 2010 09:55pm)
hey, is there different types of creatine?

mine says 100% micronized creatine on it and i dont see "monohydrate" ne where on it...

if so, is this brand ne good? i also havnt notice me getting "puffy" (although i wasnt looking forward to looking puffy)

edit:

i also dont drink no where near enough water, so this could be it.  Ill start bringing a gallon jug around with me all day



Hey man.

All micronized creatine is monohydrate...but a better form than standard.

There are MANY forms of creatine....for example:

1. monohydrate
2. micronized
3. ethyl ester
4. kre-alkalyn

etc. etc.

So far, the best proven creatine has been Micronized Creatine Monohydrate (make sure it's processed in the creapure labs in germany - it should say on the product label - this is the highest grade of creatine available in commercial products)


edit:

you need to be getting 1-1.5 gal of water per day, get on it! =)

This post was edited by SKCRaynor on Dec 13 2010 01:29am
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Dec 13 2010 01:30am
Quote (burton_clash @ Dec 12 2010 11:11pm)
whats the best 5 day split to work all muscle groups and i want to bench twice in that split

thanls


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&p=321315004

5x5 plan


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&p=327158583

Hypertrophy Plan


check those out.

If you want to focus on bench, keep everything the same, but add 5 sets of flat bench and 5 sets of incline bench 3 days after chest day (usually legs day)
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Dec 13 2010 01:36am
Quote (Deneroth @ Dec 13 2010 03:00am)
Hey there,

Thank you very much for hosting this thread.

Here is my issue (and I will happily donate fg for an excellent answer)

I am 5'10.5" 240 with broad shoulders, big bones etc. but definitely some fat on me. I was in great shape 3 years ago, but a drunk driver hit me, damaging my posterior cruciate ligaments and my L1S5 disc in my lumbar spine.

Since then, it has been hard to work out, and since I have been in college I have had a bit harder time with routine and diet. What I am looking for is an appropriate lifestyle change (not diet, because I want to get in and stay in shape, so nothing temp) to drop down to around 200 and what exercises you would recommend (as well as frequency) to aid in the weight loss etc.

I would really appreciate any help you could offer, doing it on my own has gone poorly.

-Steve




Hey there Steve. Before I get into anything specific - let me inform you of a few things.

Diet isn't a temporary thing - it's a permanent lifestyle choice. For true changes to occur in your life requires you to change your entire mindset and accepted lifestyle. Diet accounts for 75% of your muscular gains as well as fat losses and overall health. Exercise only plays about a 15-20% role, and genetics account for the other 5-10%.

I highly recommend that you get in a diet that you can follow...nothing too restrictive, just make proper eating habbit changes. Example would be eating every 2-3 hours without fail. This is much easier than it sounds...just pay attention to the time and force yourself to do it. Another example is to start paying attention to what you eat, count your macros and calories and make sound decisions. It's much healthier to eat a large chicken breast w/ brown rice, black beans, and veggies than it is to scarf down a big mac w/ fries and a coke.

Now for the part where you can do some research...here is the TOTAL LIST of all of my previous posts which have answered many many many questions which all will help you greatly.

Once you read up on there, please get back to me with specific questions and I will be glad to help you out and even help tweak some of the existing plans to your specifications.


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&p=298006373
Compilation 1


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&p=298250196
Compilation 2


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&p=298250791
Compilation 3


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&p=304616466
anabolic cutting diet


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&p=309974186
Immune System


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&p=321315004
5x5 plan


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&p=327158583
Hypertrophy Plan


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=304396247
Cutting Workout Routine


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=330745031
Abs Workout Routine


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=331184643
Circuit Stations


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=331689983
GH Supplements


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=331731288
Bodyweight exercises


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=332710367
Creatine Dosing


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=335587138
Fat loss 15 tips


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=335896241
Bulking Diet, workout, and supplement guide


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=335958561
Improving running endurance and distance


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=337078542
Supplement Guide


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=337501104
Macro Guide
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Dec 13 2010 10:34am
Quote (SKCRaynor @ Dec 13 2010 07:26am)
You definitely need some time off....take 1-2 weeks off of the gym as soon as possible. Generally it's good to do something like this

3 months of 5 on 2 off (bulk)
5 days off
3 months of 3 on 1 off (maintenance)
5 days off
3 months of 6 on 1 off (cut)
5 days off
3 months of 3 on 1 off (maintenance)
5 days off


Thanks man, didn't knew that, I've just been training like shit in a year soon :lol:

Btw, what do you mean with 5 on 2 off? 5 days split with 2 days off?

Also, 3 on 1 off, and so on..

Then I would need some help / link to bulking thing, because I think I need to bulk, I'm 174 cm and 61 kg only, I think it may be abit low weight.

The thing is that I always been ''very light weight'', but since I started workout I just feel so much better with myself, I started at 54 kg, and now I weight 61 kg!

Don't know if it is good, but that what I got in soon a year, first year traning. Will continue and buy new membership, I love the gym now, and I'm quite addicted, lol ^^

Edit - I'm doing that ''Hypertrophy'' plan you gave me before, and my life's goal with training is to be something similar to this -





This post was edited by SyB_BaM on Dec 13 2010 10:48am
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Dec 13 2010 11:08am
Quote (SyB_BaM @ Dec 13 2010 12:34pm)
Thanks man, didn't knew that, I've just been training like shit in a year soon :lol:

Btw, what do you mean with 5 on 2 off? 5 days split with 2 days off?

Also, 3 on 1 off, and so on..

Then I would need some help / link to bulking thing, because I think I need to bulk, I'm 174 cm and 61 kg only, I think it may be abit low weight.

The thing is that I always been ''very light weight'', but since I started workout I just feel so much better with myself, I started at 54 kg, and now I weight 61 kg!

Don't know if it is good, but that what I got in soon a year, first year traning. Will continue and buy new membership, I love the gym now, and I'm quite addicted, lol ^^

Edit - I'm doing that ''Hypertrophy'' plan you gave me before, and my life's goal with training is to be something similar to this -

http://www.tradebit.com/usr/external/pub/9002/fatindex.jpg


Hey there.

yes, x on are the days at the gym, and x off are the days you rest.

example 5 on 2 off would be a simple 5 day split (mon-fri) and then take 2 days off (sat and sun).


as far as workout plans go, please see the post directly above yours, it has links to all the plans I've made in the past. this will greatly help you.

If you have a hard time finding the post, here is a link:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=21269614&f=60&p=338138224
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Dec 13 2010 06:50pm
Hey raynor,

As far as workouts go, I would be considered a beginner and I'm wondering - what are the benefits of a 5v5 vs a 3 set to failure? Is one more advanced than the other? I'm trying to settle on a plan and I can't decide to do the 5 sets of an exercise of 5 reps or just 3 sets to failure each time.
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