Interesting... I honestly never even considered that there might be a base armor pierce chance for example... I guess it's time for me to go blunt my daggers finding out the next time I find sneaky

I was actually about to suggest that. Armor pierce allows you to dmg sneaky as melee. You will hit for reds on sneaky as melee without armor pierce on. It won't be super often as the value are low, but it will happen.

Cool, since I assume that the base chance is quite low, I'll do something like 5000 pokes and repeat a few times with different classes/weapons/stat compositions
I'll let you guys know what the approximate base chance is sometime next year

Well you couldnt really see the other mods..

armor pierce.. just hit a monster with zero defence and you "pierce the defence" (you couldnt even see this as zero defence doesnt mean that you do a max hit.. low hit with zero defence wouldnt be too good compared to a higher hit with "normal defence")
power shot.. just hit for the maximum amount and you do a "power shot" (but again.. if the monster has a high defence you couldnt even see that you do a "power shot")

you can see however that you never do Quick draw without the mod on any of your gear.

for crit there is a base depending on your weapon type

I think what we mean by base chance for one of these modifiers is that they will actually modify the damage dealt instead of just giving you the result expected by chance... but it's funny to think about it this way

Nice work guys. I think you're onto something.

The best way to test these theories of course is with really good stolen gear. It seems like Powertripped knows a lot, he's had a lot of different gear to play around with.

This post was edited by Bob888 on Jan 28 2019 02:53pm

Well that got off topic quickly. Glad we could have a good discussion about game mechanics to some extent none the less.

Not that I really care about this old "scandal"... but you posted this link first

Yeah to add to the discussion about the mods? On phone and quickest link I could get instead of trying to find a random item or char. My bad.

So much salt hidden from a quick edit!
Show those true rainbow flag colours man!