You don’t know the joker then. His origin story? Do you know how the joker actually becomes the joker?



Sure- there were a bunch of references that pointed that this was a different approach of the joker that was never mentioned before.

Not just because of his name- but because of all the events in the movie deviated heavily from the other 4/5 joker movies that we know. Again I didn’t say it was a bad movie- I just don’t think people should refer to this movie as the jokers “origin” movie- if it differs so much from what we know about the actual joker.

Edit : and it is important to mention that his name is jack in the comics- and in previous films. Clearly, this isn’t an origin film of the joker that we know.

This post was edited by Massous24 on Oct 12 2019 10:00am

I just don’t understand the evidence that suggests it deviates from other films where the joker is in - because in those movies the joker is already largely established by then

Yes he is- as jack. As the one that fell into chemicals via red hood gang. That’s the joker we know.

The 2019 joker movie is not about that joker.
It was still an amazing movie and acting by Phoenix.

Literally the only place the Joker's original name is Jack is in Tim Burton's Batman with Jack Nicholson. The Joker in the comics uses that name as one of his many aliases, because of the movie. It's an Easter egg, not his real name. The entire concept of the Joker is his anonymous backstory. He doesn't have a real name outside of Joker. Most origins show him as an unnamed leader of the red hood gang falling into a chemical vat. The entire point of the red hood gang is the "leader" being anonymous and constantly changing, in every origin where this happens no one actually knows who it is under the hood.

The killing joke is the most famous telling of the Joker origin, but if you read that and thought "this is his origin" then you missed the entire point of that comic and also a lot of the dialogue. He literally says some times this is true, sometimes it isn't, he prefers his past to be multiple choice. As in it isn't his true backstory, none of them are. Not to mention the Joker's entire thesis in the killing joke is ultimately disproven when Gorden doesn't break, essentially calling into question his entire story of his past up to that point.

There is no concrete backstory of the Joker, which allows writers to take him in many different interesting and unique directions, which is the entire point of that character.

Edit: typos

Edit: also in the Burton movie Jack is the one who kills Bruce's parents, but it's hard canon that the killer is actually Joe Chill, so using that as your go to origin story for Joker is fucking absurd. Please sit down now.

This post was edited by Blah58 on Oct 12 2019 04:05pm

I read some of that before I stopped. Yes there is a solid backstory on the joker- jack napier- go to ur local comic book store. Idk why you’re so mad. If you believe this joker movie is the origin story for the joker that we know then gl to you buddy and your future endeavors

This post was edited by Massous24 on Oct 12 2019 08:44pm

Omg you're an idiot lmao. Nice job actively keeping yourself misinformed even while presented with the actual information.

What is wrong with you?

Enlighten me ? What did I say that was so crazy? And I didn’t reply to blah because instead of replying he just insults cause he has no idea what he’s taking about- so there comes a point where you just have to ignore people that can’t make a point.

for the last time: movie was good, acting was good- not an origin movie for the joker that we know. It’s an origin movie for a joker that hasn’t been on screen yet. Idk why everyone gets so butthurt when I say that, like you’re all actual joker fans 😭😭😭

This post was edited by Massous24 on Oct 14 2019 06:48am

There’s always that one guy

This post was edited by IgoSoHard on Oct 14 2019 06:49am

No one is butthurt man, Blah was just trying to explain to you that the Jack origin isn't canon and that it's never been canon. As he said, one of the main points of the character is that he has no real origin, but you just ignored everything he said.

E: Guy calls me butthurt but then follows me around talking shit . Guess I hit a nerve

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on Oct 14 2019 11:22am