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Oct 22 2019 02:21pm
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funny that the "we wont deal with your corrupt govt" becomes a talking point, after wasting millions on pointless talks with the North Koreans, cooperation militarily with Russia in Syria and elsewhere, active deals with Turkey for a withdrawl, sending soldiers to Saudi Arabia, and actively trying to make trade deals with the Chinese while tweeting about their currency/market manipulation..........



from the same guy who suggested Trump might get a nobel peace price for working with NK......

you're as consistent as rice pudding.



Quote me saying that you lying POS. LOL

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Oct 22 2019 02:32pm
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Quote me saying that you lying POS. LOL


oh sure i'll dig through a 200 page north korea thread to find something that doesnt matter in any case.

you support Trump working with corrupt govts when it suits you. you'd support a chinese trade deal negotiated by trump. you'd support us pulling out of Syria so the Russians and Turks can take over. you'd support us working with the North Koreans for 'peace' with literally no collateral. etc.

now be a predictable dullard and focus on the hyperbole, and not the point. woof woof. stay on that leash.

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Oct 22 2019 03:08pm
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So we won't deal with the Ukrainians(including meeting with their president and providing military aid) unless they work on corruption(by investigating Bidens and 2016 election conspiracy theory).

It was only a matter of time until this became the talking point.




Just read the whole 15 page hearsay from Taylor. I still think Trump meant that the US won't deal with the Ukraine if they didn't clean up their act. I mean we know the previous Ukrainian govt. was corrupt, and the new Ukrainian President "saying" they weren't corrupt, would need a tad more proof than just "saying" they weren't corrupt.

We already know Trump is all about not spending where it not necessary. (Think UN, NATO, Venezuela, Central America, the trade agreements, etc.) Trump has been all about that since he took office.
I'm not suggesting that Taylor was lying, but rather that he made some assumptions that didn't fit with Trump's international policies/methods.

In the 15 page statement, Trump, himself and by report from 2-3 others, stated....this is not about quid pro quo. Normally, I'd wonder if Trump was just "saying" that. BUT, like I said, he has been all about not spending US monies on useless causes.




/e Sorry it took so long, but I had assumed the pic you posted was the important part of the Washington Post article.

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Oct 22 2019 04:26pm
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/22/us/politics/william-taylor-ukraine-testimony.html

Seriously, everybody read this. Only 15 pages. An intimate, inside look at what went on here from the top diplomat in Ukraine.
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Oct 22 2019 05:22pm
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 22 2019 03:26pm)
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/22/us/politics/william-taylor-ukraine-testimony.html

Seriously, everybody read this. Only 15 pages. An intimate, inside look at what went on here from the top diplomat in Ukraine.


Fake news deep state propaganda? No thanks!!!
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Oct 22 2019 05:23pm
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Just read the whole 15 page hearsay from Taylor. I still think Trump meant that the US won't deal with the Ukraine if they didn't clean up their act. I mean we know the previous Ukrainian govt. was corrupt, and the new Ukrainian President "saying" they weren't corrupt, would need a tad more proof than just "saying" they weren't corrupt.

We already know Trump is all about not spending where it not necessary. (Think UN, NATO, Venezuela, Central America, the trade agreements, etc.) Trump has been all about that since he took office.
I'm not suggesting that Taylor was lying, but rather that he made some assumptions that didn't fit with Trump's international policies/methods.

In the 15 page statement, Trump, himself and by report from 2-3 others, stated....this is not about quid pro quo. Normally, I'd wonder if Trump was just "saying" that. BUT, like I said, he has been all about not spending US monies on useless causes.




/e Sorry it took so long, but I had assumed the pic you posted was the important part of the Washington Post article.


Lol. Glot's defense mechanisms are incredible.

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"Ambassador Sondland tried to explain to me that President Trump is a businessman. When a businessman is about to sign a check to someone who owes him something, he said, the businessman asks that person to pay up before signing the check," Taylor testified, adding that Volker had used the same phrase.
"I argued to both that the explanation made no sense: the Ukrainians did not 'owe' President Trump anything, and holding up security assistance for domestic political gain was 'crazy,' as I had said in my text message to Ambassadors Sondland and Volker on September 9," Taylor added.


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Oct 22 2019 06:15pm
It's all witch hunt and fake news, simple.
And if it's testified in front of U.S congress then it's not a problem because Biden is a criminal anyway, so inspector Trump was doing his job.

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Oct 23 2019 02:14am
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It's all witch hunt and fake news, simple.
And if it's testified in front of U.S congress then it's not a problem because Biden is a criminal anyway, so inspector Trump was doing his job.


You can joke all you want, and yes, we all know Trump acted out of corrupt intent. But none of this will change the fact that Trump's defense absolutely hinges on whether he was asking the Ukrainians to investigate real, blatant corruption or if he was asking them to pursue a bogus investigation serving nothing but his personal interest.

I've said this maaaaany pages ago in this thread right here, and I'll stick by it: if team trump can show that the Bidens were indeed corrupt and self-enriching, then he and his defenders can spin his own self-interested behavior as a noble attempt at rooting out leftover corruption from the previous administration, and his supporters will eat it up.

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Oct 23 2019 05:22am
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You can joke all you want, and yes, we all know Trump acted out of corrupt intent. But none of this will change the fact that Trump's defense absolutely hinges on whether he was asking the Ukrainians to investigate real, blatant corruption or if he was asking them to pursue a bogus investigation serving nothing but his personal interest.

I've said this maaaaany pages ago in this thread right here, and I'll stick by it: if team trump can show that the Bidens were indeed corrupt and self-enriching, then he and his defenders can spin his own self-interested behavior as a noble attempt at rooting out leftover corruption from the previous administration, and his supporters will eat it up.


It's the fate of any discussion on this topic with a cultist. btw Kiev William Taylor last hearing: https://www.breitbart.com/news/diplomat-provides-house-with-detailed-account-on-ukraine/
Seems pretty bad for El Douche.


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Oct 23 2019 07:11am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 23 2019 04:14am)
You can joke all you want, and yes, we all know Trump acted out of corrupt intent. But none of this will change the fact that Trump's defense absolutely hinges on whether he was asking the Ukrainians to investigate real, blatant corruption or if he was asking them to pursue a bogus investigation serving nothing but his personal interest.

I've said this maaaaany pages ago in this thread right here, and I'll stick by it: if team trump can show that the Bidens were indeed corrupt and self-enriching, then he and his defenders can spin his own self-interested behavior as a noble attempt at rooting out leftover corruption from the previous administration, and his supporters will eat it up.


Well, there's no good reason to believe the Bidens were doing anything criminal or corrupt(beyond the optics of Hunter taking the job in the first place), and the Ukraine DNC server story doesn't make any sense.

What's amazing to me is the Republican party and propagandists in the media are saying that the Ukraine DNC server conspiracy theory possibly has merit to it. During Russiagate I thought Trump and his allies were just throwing up nonsensical theories to distract his supporters... but I guess they're all genuinely nuts. How can any serious person support a party that has turned into Infowars?

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https://twitter.com/normative/status/1186991778433503237

yep

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