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MxVivianWulf
#1 Sep 24 2019 03:04pm
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#2 Sep 24 2019 03:05pm
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Will never pass and will only help trump get re-elected.
MxVivianWulf
#4 Sep 24 2019 03:12pm
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'The President must be held accountable. No one is above the law.' - Pelosi.

You go girl. Maybe get some stronger denture glue though.
MxVivianWulf
#5 Sep 24 2019 03:17pm
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Quote (Beowulf @ 24 Sep 2019 22:05)


Really though? This is kinda big. Dunno if it'll get through the Senate but it might not have to. Clinton's didn't.
thundercock
#6 Sep 24 2019 03:25pm
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Hopefully the media doesn't fuck this up. Let the evidence speak for itself and don't speculate until all the evidence is gathered.
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#7 Sep 24 2019 03:25pm
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"We need to impeach Trump for the uncorroborated claim he did something that our nominee for 2020 was already proven to have done"
It seems like they dropped russiaburger like a hot potato and tried to latch onto Ukraine and change tracks as if nothing happened.
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#8 Sep 24 2019 03:34pm
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If they're really trying to make Ukraine the focus then they're about to run into;

  • Biden, the nominee apparent, being implicated in actual coercion and allegation of corruption
  • Trump being more than willing to defuse any theorizing by releasing the transcript tomorrow
  • Dredging up Hillary colluding to influence the 2016 election
  • The bad timing with the imminent release of the IG's FISA report and potential McCabe indictments which might involve this same storyline
  • Most importantly of all: The American people have had zero fucking time to process this complex story and 95%+ of americans right now would respond to the Ukraine story allegations with "...what?"


It would take me about 6 pages in my infamous walls of text just to explain the multilayered geopolitical context of the ukrainian clusterfuck of 2014 and how it ties together everyone from Biden to Trump to Hillary to McCabe to Podesta to Manafort to Putin to a laundry list of oligarchs to Obama to Xi Jinping to IG Horowitz to NATO expansion to Nordstream II to Angela Merkel to Poland to holy fuck its complicated. The average american can't be expected to dig past "Trump is accused of digging up dirt on something Biden was accused of, what was Biden accused of? something?". And when they get to "No quid pro quo / no threat of coercion", then the fact Biden is on video making his coercion threat against Ukraine is going to utterly defang any attack because videos have 100x the memetic value as a means to spread a narrative. Play that clip 10 times on TV and you have no case at all

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thundercock
#9 Sep 24 2019 03:37pm
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Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 24 2019 02:34pm)
If they're really trying to make Ukraine the focus then they're about to run into;

  • Biden, the nominee apparent, being implicated in actual coercion and allegation of corruption
  • Trump being more than willing to defuse any theorizing by releasing the transcript tomorrow
  • Dredging up Hillary colluding to influence the 2016 election
  • The bad timing with the imminent release of the IG's FISA report and potential McCabe indictments which might involve this same storyline
  • Most importantly of all: The American people have had zero fucking time to process this complex story and 95%+ of americans right now would respond to the Ukraine story allegations with "...what?"


It would take me about 6 pages in my infamous walls of text just to explain the multilayered geopolitical context of the ukrainian clusterfuck of 2014 and how it ties together everyone from Biden to Trump to Hillary to McCabe to Podesta to Manafort to Putin to a laundry list of oligarchs to Obama to Xi Jinping to IG Horowitz to NATO expansion to Nordstream II to Angela Merkel to Poland to holy fuck its complicated. The average american can't be expected to dig past "Trump is accused of digging up dirt on something Biden was accused of, what was Biden accused of? something?". And when they get to "No quid pro quo / no threat of coercion", then the fact Biden is on video making his coercion threat against Ukraine is going to utterly defang any attack because videos have 100x the memetic value as a means to spread a narrative. Play that clip 10 times on TV and you have no case at all


So be it.
bogie160
#10 Sep 24 2019 03:38pm
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Quote (MxVivianWulf @ Sep 24 2019 05:17pm)
Really though? This is kinda big. Dunno if it'll get through the Senate but it might not have to. Clinton's didn't.



No chance of getting through the senate and will guarantee a Trump re-election.

This is Pelosi's career.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Sep 24 2019 03:38pm
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