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Oct 17 2019 05:12pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 17 2019 04:02pm)
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Sorry, but let's get real here: Trump and Biden both used the leverage they had over Ukraine for personal gain (or that of their family).

Like I've said very early on in this thread: what it will come down to is whether Trump's accusations of corruption against the Bidens will have meat to them. If they do (and they clearly do!), then he will be able to mount a lame "I didnt do it for my personal gain, I did it to root out Biden's corruption and the harm it did to America"-defense. Which is bullshit, but will be enough to prevent him from being removed from office. He might very well get impeached by the House though.


No, quit spreading this lie!

Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 17 2019 04:02pm)
Why is Pelosi holding off impeachment?

Reading the msm you’d think trump is guilty 10 times over so why is Pelosi not impeaching him? Is Pelosi a secret Trump sympathizer? It’s time we investigate Pelosi.


To gather evidence....

This post was edited by thundercock on Oct 17 2019 05:15pm
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Oct 17 2019 05:13pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 17 2019 06:59pm)
Hey if thats what gets your jolly on
But the media and house democrats alike had their great freakout moment thinking they finally got their quid pro quo bombshell out of Mulvaney just because he didn't say Simon Says one of the multiple times he denies the quid pro quo.

Do you really think any new information was communicated by Mulvaney that blew the case open? Or is this just TDS having a field day with a gaffe. Because to me, it looks like the Trumpers when Obama said "my muslim faith"


The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
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Oct 17 2019 05:14pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 18 Oct 2019 01:02)
Why is Pelosi holding off impeachment?

Reading the msm you’d think trump is guilty 10 times over so why is Pelosi not impeaching him? Is Pelosi a secret Trump sympathizer? It’s time we investigate Pelosi.


the same reason the democrats' leadership refused to consider impeachment for so long: (shitty) political calculation. if they had any integrity or principles, if they actually believed the reasons they sanctimoniously provide these days (their duty to the constitution, and their concerns about the damage to the office), they would have impeached years ago - and not just when one of their establishment hopefuls for the next election got in trouble.
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Oct 17 2019 05:15pm
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 17 2019 06:13pm)
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.


"Let me be clear, there was absolutely no quid pro quo between Ukrainian military aid and any investigation into the 2016 election. The president never told me to withhold any money until the Ukrainians did anything related to the server. The only reasons we were holding the money was because of concern about lack of support from other nations and concerns over corruption. Multiple times during the more-than 30 minute briefing where I took over 25 questions, I referred to President Trump's interest in rooting out corruption in Ukraine, and ensuring taxpayer dollars are spent responsibly and appropriately. There was never any connection between the funds and the Ukrainians doing anything with the server - this was made explicitly obvious by the fact the aid money was delivered without any action on the part of the Ukrainians regarding the server. There was never any condition on the flow of the aid related to the matter of the DNC server."

I hope you admit Obama is actually a Kenyan Muslim Socialist now;

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Oct 17 2019 05:16pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 17 2019 07:05pm)
If they impeach now, the GOP has enough time to recover and either establish a good new candidate, or prepare a serious campaign by then incumbent President Pence.
However, if they drag the process out and Trump gets impeached and subsequently removed from office in April 2020 or so, the shockwaves will reverberate until election day and President Pence has much less time to establish his brand and campaign theme.


If i know someone did something illegal and withhold that until i can benefit from the revelation, isn't that illegal? Holding off justice for political capital, that at the very least is unethical no?

Channeling my inner inkandagger here.
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Oct 17 2019 05:17pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 18 Oct 2019 01:15)
"Let me be clear, there was absolutely no quid pro quo between Ukrainian military aid and any investigation into the 2016 election. The president never told me to withhold any money until the Ukrainians did anything related to the server. The only reasons we were holding the money was because of concern about lack of support from other nations and concerns over corruption. Multiple times during the more-than 30 minute briefing where I took over 25 questions, I referred to President Trump's interest in rooting out corruption in Ukraine, and ensuring taxpayer dollars are spent responsibly and appropriately. There was never any connection between the funds and the Ukrainians doing anything with the server - this was made explicitly obvious by the fact the aid money was delivered without any action on the part of the Ukrainians regarding the server. There was never any condition on the flow of the aid related to the matter of the DNC server."

I hope you admit Obama is actually a Kenyan Muslim Socialist now;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M


shill resorts to false equivalence. it's not very effective...
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Oct 17 2019 05:18pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 17 2019 06:16pm)
If i know someone did something illegal and withhold that until i can benefit from the revelation, isn't that illegal? Holding off justice for political capital, that at the very least is unethical no?

Channeling my inner inkandagger here.


It's definitely at least a bit unethical, but you're going to have a hard time getting anybody to care in the current political environment.
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Oct 17 2019 05:28pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 18 Oct 2019 01:16)
If i know someone did something illegal and withhold that until i can benefit from the revelation, isn't that illegal? Holding off justice for political capital, that at the very least is unethical no?

Channeling my inner inkandagger here.


This is not about withholding insider knowledge about crimes or obstructing justice, this is about stretching out a political process due to political calculation, which is perfectly legal and not thaaat unethical either if you ask me.

Quote (fender @ 18 Oct 2019 01:14)
the same reason the democrats' leadership refused to consider impeachment for so long: (shitty) political calculation. if they had any integrity or principles, if they actually believed the reasons they sanctimoniously provide these days (their duty to the constitution, and their concerns about the damage to the office), they would have impeached years ago - and not just when one of their establishment hopefuls for the next election got in trouble.


Framing the fact that the Republican establishment did not overthrow the verdict of the American people (to elect Trump president although the GOP establishment hates his guts) at the first opportunity as a "shitty political calcuation" is quite the spin, isnt it?

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Oct 17 2019 05:41pm
Quote (thundercock @ Oct 17 2019 07:12pm)




To gather evidence....


Good point. Kind of like Russia collusion.

Curious, in your opinion how do you collect the feathers in the wind after 3 years? Or maybe you don't think it matters, if so, what standard does that provide for how political decorum will play out in the future?
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Oct 17 2019 06:07pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 18 Oct 2019 01:28)
Framing the fact that the Republican establishment did not overthrow the verdict of the American people (to elect Trump president although the GOP establishment hates his guts) at the first opportunity as a "shitty political calcuation" is quite the spin, isnt it?


my post is entirely about the democrats' establishment, you illiterate. i'm pointing out their calculations and lack of real principles on the issue.
that republicans are spineless crooks who would never turn against their leader is a given...

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