Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 7 2024 03:40pm)
So because the Germans did something bad, Russia is perpetually entitled to rule over these countries, is that what you're saying? Once again, the idea that these are sovereign nations with a right to choose their own destiny doesn't even cross your mind. Also note that the Russian Empire had been an aggressive, imperialist power going back to its Czarist days. They regularly invaded their neighbors long before WW2 or even the October Revolution, so this narrative that they only insisted on ruling over a buffer zone of unfree vassals after they got traumatized by the nazis is factually incorrect.
That's not what I said. If I did, quote me lol
I merely said that those countries were occupied after WW2 which is a fact.
Another fact is that Germany aimed to wipe out the untermenschen so they could have lebensraum do you really find it strange the Russians wanted a buffer zone between them and the German orcs?
Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 7 2024 03:40pm)
I already drew the distinction between EU and NATO.
Despite the facts presented you fail to acknowledge that EU membership promises MASSIVE financial benefits and you fail to acknowledge that MASSIVE financial benefits influence the people in said countries
Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 7 2024 03:40pm)
I already wrote from the very beginning that Russia did get sanctioned in 2014, never denied this. What I disagree with is the claim that these sanctions were "heavy", rather than softballs which didn't economically hurt Russia in a meaningful way.
If you checked the source you noticed that a bunch of countries sanctioned Russia and multiple rounds of sanctions were issued.
So according to you, sanctioning the financial sector, oil industry and "dual use goods" translates to softball sanctions? Or did you fail to check the source?
This is just part of the long list (quote from source I linked)
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Third round: 2014–2021
2014
In response to the escalating War in Donbass, on 17 July 2014 the United States extended its transactions ban to two major Russian energy firms, Rosneft and Novatek, and to two banks, Gazprombank and Vnesheconombank.[42] United States also urged EU leaders to join the third wave[43] leading EU to start drafting European sanctions a day before.[44][45] On 25 July, the EU officially expanded its sanctions to an additional 15 individuals and 18 entities,[46] with an additional eight added on 30 July.[47] On 31 July 2014 the EU introduced the third round of sanctions which included an embargo on arms and related material, and embargo on dual-use goods and technology intended for military use or a military end user, a ban on imports of arms and related material, controls on export of equipment for the oil industry, and a restriction on the issuance of and trade in certain bonds, equity or similar financial instruments on a maturity greater than 90 days (In September 2014 lowered to 30 days)[48]
On 24 July 2014, Canada targeted Russian arms, energy and financial entities.[49] On 5 August 2014, Japan froze the assets of "individuals and groups supporting the separation of Crimea from Ukraine" and restrict imports from Crimea and froze funds for new projects in Russia in line with the policy of the EBRD.[50] On 8 August 2014, Australia announced that Australia is "working towards" tougher sanctions against Russia.[51][52]
On 12 August 2014, Norway adopted the tougher sanctions against Russia that were imposed by the European Union and the United States on 12 August 2014. The Norwegian foreign minister Børge Brende said that it would also impose restrictions similar to the EU's 1 August sanctions. Russian state-owned banks will be banned from taking long-term and mid-term loans, arms exports will be banned and supplies of equipment, technology and assistance to the Russian oil sector will be prohibited.[53]
On 14 August 2014, Switzerland expanded sanctions against Russia over its threat to Ukraine's sovereignty. Swiss government added 26 more Russians and pro-Russian Ukrainians to the list.[54] The Swiss government said it is expanding measures to prevent the circumvention of sanctions relating to the situation in Ukraine to include the third round of sanctions imposed by the EU in July and also stated that five Russian banks will require authorisation to issue long-term financial instruments in Switzerland.[55] On 28 August 2014, Switzerland amended its sanctions to include the sanctions imposed by the EU in July.[55]
On 14 August 2014, Ukraine passed a law introducing Ukrainian sanctions against Russia.[56][57] The law includes 172 individuals and 65 entities in Russia and other countries for supporting and financing "terrorism" in Ukraine, though actual sanctions would need approval from Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council.
On 11 September 2014, US president Obama said that the United States would join the EU in imposing tougher sanctions on Russia's financial, energy and defence sectors.[58] On 12 September 2014, the United States imposed sanctions on Russia's largest bank (Sberbank), a major arms maker and arctic (Rostec), deepwater and shale exploration by its biggest oil companies (Gazprom, Gazprom Neft,[59][60][61] Lukoil, Surgutneftegas and Rosneft). Sberbank and Rostec will have limited ability to access the US debt markets. The sanction on the oil companies seek to ban co-operation with Russian oil firms on energy technology and services by companies including Exxon Mobil Corp. and BP Plc.[62]
On 24 September 2014, Japan banned the issue of securities by 5 Russian banks and also tightened restrictions on defence exports to Russia.[63]
On 3 October 2014, US vice president Joe Biden said that "It was America's leadership and the president of the United States insisting, ofttimes almost having to embarrass Europe to stand up and take economic hits to impose costs" and added that "And the results have been massive capital flight from Russia, a virtual freeze on foreign direct investment, a ruble at an all-time low against the dollar, and the Russian economy teetering on the brink of recession. We don't want Russia to collapse. We want Russia to succeed. But Putin has to make a choice. These asymmetrical advances on another country cannot be tolerated. The international system will collapse if they are."[64]
On 18 December 2014, the EU banned some investments in Crimea, halting support for Russian Black Sea oil and gas exploration and stopping European companies from purchasing real estate or companies in Crimea, or offering tourism services.[65] On 19 December 2014, US president Obama imposed sanctions on Russian-occupied Crimea by executive order prohibiting exports of US goods and services to the region.[66]
Quote (Santara @ May 7 2024 04:06pm)
The Internet Research Agency greatly promoted the campaign of Donald Trump. From the campaign's infancy.
Trump won because the Dem candidate was dogshit not because of Russians. Massive self own, lol
If the Russians could so easily pick their guy of choice to win the US elections they would do so every single time or wouldn't they. Not just in 2016. And not just in the US but everywhere.
Can't believe you parrot this nonsense
This post was edited by Djunior on May 7 2024 08:20am