March, 17th 1995 that's why. Kyev deprived Crimea of it's autonomy.

Clinton was dog shit, and so was Trump. None of this takes away from the fact that Russia promoted his campaign on social media.



In 2013 when that survey was taken, no one was bombing Crimea. In 2014, Russia annexed.



Then why were they being polled about their autonomy as if it existed in 2011 and 2013?

Well yeah in 2013 the voters in the Donbas held control of the national government and the governor of Donetsk had become the President of Ukraine. In 2014 the Yanukovych supporters were being burned alive in Odessa I mean, it just seems self evident to me that everyone would prefer to get their way- rule of a country, self-rule in a separatist region, rule of their house. And if they can't get their autonomy and self-determination, they'd rather align with the guys who support them than the ones trying to kill them.

Democracy as a concept only works when there's a mandate from the governed to accede to the will of the voters. If the DPR/LPR/Crimea had tried to secede after losing an election like the American south did, we'd have a much different narrative. But instead we're talking about a country that was a unified national democracy, then was overthrown by force to overturn the will of the voters. At that point, there is no mandate, democracy is just a fig leaf and the only true claim on a land is those who hold it by force. If Zelensky had conquered the east and planted a Ukrainian flag, he could claim the subjugated lands. Assad did it, after all. It would make him the legitimate ruler, if not a democratic one. But as long as the revolutionaries in Kiev have never held the east for a day, I don't see what claim they have

Good question, they also got polled in 2014

Russia annexed Crimea after the Maidan putsch where high ranking Western officials were openly involved and no you cannot possibly compare this to social media trolls promoting Trump SMH

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

Meanwhile two Ukrainian security officials were detained over Zelensky assassination plot while Putin was sworn in for his fifth term as Russian president.

And we were told Putin was going to be assassinated by his generals after the sanctions had completely crippled Russia

Can't make this shit up

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/07/world/europe/ukraine-russia-zelensky-plot.html

Where was Shoigu?

I still think we've never seen the evidence of how involved the CIA / State was in the Maidan, whether they just co-opted a grassroots movement or tried to provoke it with astroturfing and agitprop or what. And I don't think we'll ever know, its an unknowable, a conspiracy by those who hid their involvement or something that didn't happen. We do know for sure they involved themselves directly in the immediate aftermath and took over the country, which is still the same practical effect so I'm not sure how much it matters to split hairs over western officials being involved with the mob.

The CIA took over the country... Do you hear yourself?

The CIA tries to hide their involvement but Western officials @Maidan definitely didn't. It became 100% clear that the West was pushing for regime change in Ukraine