Quote (IroningTheMaiden @ Jun 23 2022 02:28pm)

https://www.cbs7.com/2022/06/23/new-dress-code-outlaws-dresses-skirts-texas-school-district/



What a fucked up Country

How can you claim to be the land of the free and you ban how 10 year olds dress at school

oh man what a fucked up Country

Quote (IroningTheMaiden @ Jun 23 2022 02:28pm)

https://www.cbs7.com/2022/06/23/new-dress-code-outlaws-dresses-skirts-texas-school-district/



What a fucked up Country

How can you claim to be the land of the free and you ban how 10 year olds dress at school

oh man what a fucked up Country

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jun 25 2022 03:15pm)

Not sure what the issue is here. The school district for a town of what, 15,000 people? has opted to transition to gender neutral, non-revealing clothing. Given that both the current and prior mayor of the town is female, seems rather difficult to pin it on sexism.

Frankly, schools should go full uniform anyhow, and gender neutral is good. Plenty of things kids are supposed to be educated on in school. How to dress to attract the most attention should never be one of them. Others don't go to school to learn about YOU, others go to school to hopefully gain an education that will prepare them to get a job. What do the majority of workplaces have? That's right! A dress code! What kind of dress code have more and more employers started transitioning to? Gender neutral. Why? Because the workplace isn't about YOU, it's about providing services and products to the CUSTOMER.

If schools are supposed to educate and prepare children for real life, then things like scheduling, grading performance, and abiding by dress codes are called "doing it right". Because that's exactly what they'll experience "in the real world" 40 hours a week. What those kids do and wear in "their own time"? Well, that's still up to their parents. Why are we pretending that children have a choice at all, let alone that they should not have to be preparing to live by the standards that will be enforced against them as adults?

Show up to work in hypersexualized clothing? Get told to go home and change. Do it repeatedly? Get fired. Done. The children who're crying about it? Who gives a fuck?

Quote (GodSmiter @ 25 Jun 2022 12:24)

Most corporate drone sht I've read on a while.

Y'Ceo?

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jun 25 2022 12:33pm)

If you want to operate a business where you're wearing wildly inappropriate clothing that detracts from the products and services you offer, and puts all the focus on you personally, by all means! Best of luck to you in your endeavors.

If you plan to work for somebody else, the terms of your employment, especially as regards to dress code, are whatever the person who pays you says they are. That's not "corporate", that's simply called "business".

I note that you fail entirely to address the issue that these children aren't purchasing their own clothes. So when some kid walks into class wearing a massive trenchcoat, or a hoody that's covering their face, or whatever else that's been deemed "inappropriate" it's not because they are "expressing themselves". It's because their parents have chosen that as an acceptable form of expression for them. And that's fine outside of school. Inside a school, the focus is on education, not "expression". Schools are not "homes for children". Schools are educational institutions designed to prepare children to be productive adults.

Anyone who attempts to claim "self-expression" should even be a factor in schools should be treated with extreme mistrust. Their agenda is not educating your children, and let's not forget, on a per capita basis, school staff is twice as likely to sexually assault children than catholic priests. Except, there are over 28x more school staff than catholic priests, and school staff make up one the largest child sexual predators, based on FBI Crime Stats of anyone on the planet. Thus, not only would these non-sexual, gender neutral dress codes likely enhance the learning environment, but it might help reduce the likelihood of sexual assault from the adults that are supposed to be "teaching" these children.

Quote (GodSmiter @ 25 Jun 2022 19:48)

I am not that against uniforms, but stuff like productive adults are based on our criteria as a society. Don't you agree that on some level that these kids are being abused anyway just by havin to conform to such an insane degree and its basically a veiled threat as well (do well in school, stay in school else we'll fuck ur life up when u enter the real world)? They also don't have much other choices. Why shouldn't they atleast be allowed to freely express themselves a little... especially at a time where they are developing and trying to figure out who they even are

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jun 25 2022 07:57pm)

Children are welcome to express themselves outside of school, during after school activities, etc.

School is a child's job. It is their job to learn. Attempting to set up a system where they have rules vastly different from those they will face as an adult fails to prepare them for their adult life. That's the opposite of teaching.

I have a large number of issues with our education system, but dress codes is not one of them. And I would never compare this school system with the Taliban. First, they're teaching females. Second, their mayor is female. Third, a bunch of the teachers are females. Fourth, hijabs are mentioned precisely nowhere. Last but not least, those who sexually assault children are not being executed. The Taliban is pretty against such things. Just ask practitioners of Bacha Bazi from the "government" the US spent 20 years trying to prop up. Oh, that's right, they're no longer capable of answering. ;)

Quote (GodSmiter @ 25 Jun 2022 20:00)

fair enough. I am not against uniforms, Sometimes it even can help stop bullying in some cases, and tries to even the whole socio-economic status games that people can play (my clothes are better because i got richer parents type shit). I see good and bad in both.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jun 25 2022 08:12pm)

I would never particularly advocate one way or the other. I think the "wear what you want" model creates a lot of problems, but it also allows for a level of comfort that uniforms or stricter dress codes do not. I kind of do like dress codes preventing hyper revealing clothing. As a man it's difficult enough to have a beautiful woman around and still be capable of rational thought. When I was going to college, I specifically selected male teachers whenever possible. Reason? One of my first classes was a Trig class with this beautiful woman as a teacher. I had to drop the class. I retook and passed it easily the next term with a male teacher. The problem wasn't that I couldn't learn from a woman. The problem was that I was a horny teenager dumbstruck by this gorgeous teacher in her early 20's, and no longer had the requisite amount of blood to keep my brain functioning, it'd somehow found it's way elsewhere.

I could recount 1,000 stories that're similar spanning from as early as third grade all the way up through college, involving teachers or other students. Bottom line? I was great at learning, horrible at looking past the distraction that was anything approaching an attractive female wearing anything that emphasized that they were female. What's required to remove this distraction, aka the only true issue I ever ran into that inhibited my ability to learn, in school? A dress code. So for my own personal self, I like the idea of a dress code in any educational and indeed professional environment. It's not there to punish you, but instead to keep you focused. And as you mentioned, there are some socio-economic factors that can be mitigated.

But overall, that's a community issue. I don't think any form of state-wide or nation-wide edict regarding dress codes in school would be useful. A community knows what's best for it, or may even just be trying something new to see if it's helpful for the children. And that's good on them, imo.

:thumbsup: