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Oct 14 2020 08:47am
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 14 2020 10:39am)
having a childcare u can afford instead of tossing your germ monsters in with grandma after school = less dead grandmas.

having insurance where u go to the hospital rather than trying to ride it out because you fear bankruptcy from ventilator saves lives too.

in any case your entire "point" is a strawman, i said straight away Vitamin D supplements aren't expensive and people should be taking them, and i'm simply accessing causes of deaths by contrast, not even suggesting specific action by the govt. i'm arguing against Vitamin D being the highest causal factor, not arguing that the govt writes a blank check to fix more causal factors.


90% of people on a ventilator dont survive. Needing a ventilator is a symptom of severe infection, it doesnt actually help the infection. There is an argument that they are less likely to seek help, but remdesivir is still only 400$ a bottle.

Young children dont spread the infection because they dont have Ace2** receptors on their cells yet.

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the same ethnic groups that have Vitamin D uptake issues in areas of low sunlight also have the same causal factors im listing against them. this is not only a pretty clear case of causation vs correlation but it's discounted by data you yourself posted.

In areas of ample sunlight in the south Blacks still far outperform their % of the population in terms of deaths.

Alabama = 45% deaths, 27% population

Minnesota = 45% deaths, 27% population

Alabama didnt have a hard shut down, Alabama didnt close city parts, Alabama didnt herd people inside. and yet they have the same disproportionate deaths among their black populations as areas like Minnesota who did incidentally limit Vitamin D uptake via shutdowns.

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90% of people on a ventilator dont survive. Needing a ventilator is a symptom of severe infection, it doesnt actually help the infection. There is an argument that they are less likely to seek help, but remdesivir is still only 400$ a bottle.

Young children dont spread the infection because they dont have CD2 receptirs on their cells yet.


so taking every word literally and not addressing your strawman, got it.

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the same ethnic groups that have Vitamin D uptake issues in areas of low sunlight also have the same causal factors im listing against them. this is not only a pretty clear case of causation vs correlation but it's discounted by data you yourself posted.

In areas of ample sunlight in the south Blacks still far outperform their % of the population in terms of deaths.

Alabama = 45% deaths, 27% population

Minnesota = 45% deaths, 27% population

Alabama didnt have a hard shut down, Alabama didnt close city parts, Alabama didnt herd people inside. and yet they have the same disproportionate deaths among their black populations as areas like Minnesota who did incidentally limit Vitamin D uptake via shutdowns.



so taking every word literally and not addressing your strawman, got it.



Triggered by facts

The biggest exposal of your bullshit is ignoring the BLM rallies

BLM rallies have caused ten times as many COVID deaths as any of your red herrings

Also why do blacks in the United Kingdom have similar death rates. Maybe your strawman is just wrong

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Oct 14 2020 09:02am
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the same ethnic groups that have Vitamin D uptake issues in areas of low sunlight also have the same causal factors im listing against them. this is not only a pretty clear case of causation vs correlation but it's discounted by data you yourself posted.

In areas of ample sunlight in the south Blacks still far outperform their % of the population in terms of deaths.

Alabama = 45% deaths, 27% population

Minnesota = 45% deaths, 27% population

Alabama didnt have a hard shut down, Alabama didnt close city parts, Alabama didnt herd people inside. and yet they have the same disproportionate deaths among their black populations as areas like Minnesota who did incidentally limit Vitamin D uptake via shutdowns.


I'm not positing that vitamin D is the sole determinant. I'm positing that it's extremely prominent, however.

Also, that was clearly a typo in the source, because the whole state is listed as :

Minnesota

White: 74 percent of deaths (83 percent of total population)

Black: 45 percent (27 percent of total population)

Hispanic: 3 percent (5 percent of total population)*

83 + 27 + 5 = 115%

We all know MN is white AF. That should read as 7% of the population.

/e and 74 + 45 + 3 = 122

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Quote (EndlessSky @ Oct 14 2020 09:53am)
Triggered by facts

The biggest exposal of your bullshit is ignoring the BLM rallies

BLM rallies have caused ten times as many COVID deaths as any of your red herrings

Also why do blacks in the United Kingdom have similar death rates. Maybe your strawman is just wrong


BLM rallies and protests generally have caused a large number of deaths to be sure, i'd even agree that it has caused as many or more than lack of healthcare. Just as Sturgis and anti-mask and anti-shutdown rallies have caused a large number of deaths.

funny u said control what we can, now you identify a factor that's constitutionally promised to the american people. i dont even know legally if curfews are constitutional. but stopping day time protests and rallies surely aren't.

as to the UK, idk, what are their obesity numbers like? statistically if we remove healthcare as a factor we're still left with all of the rest of the factors, obesity, vitamin D (which i agree is a noteworthy factor), multigenerational households, and child care are still all in play.

overall you guys just sound desperate to prove a Vitamin D bottle per person sent out could have lowered the deathtolls dramatically, where as i think it wouldnt have been dramatic but simply noteworthy. ive been taking an insane amount per day since the pandemic began afterall.

but sure, call me a BLM loving factophobic person. lol.

Quote (Santara @ Oct 14 2020 10:02am)
I'm not positing that vitamin D is the sole determinant. I'm positing that it's extremely prominent, however.

Also, that was clearly a typo in the source, because the whole state is listed as :

Minnesota

White: 74 percent of deaths (83 percent of total population)

Black: 45 percent (27 percent of total population)

Hispanic: 3 percent (5 percent of total population)*

83 + 27 + 5 = 115%

We all know MN is white AF. That should read as 7% of the population.


looking back at that source many states are over 100%, idk wtf is with that source.

i think its a noteworthy cause as well, i guess i dont know why we're arguing then.

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lol, santara went full science-denying bigot in this one. imagine your identity is defending a broken system, and you have to resort to crackpot theories to justify it, because the facts simply aren't on your side. that's what propaganda and brainwashing does to the weak, uncritical mind... hilarious.
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Oct 14 2020 09:22am
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looking back at that source many states are over 100%, idk wtf is with that source.

i think its a noteworthy cause as well, i guess i dont know why we're arguing then.


I'm saying vitamin D is the single largest factor here.

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lol, santara went full science-denying bigot in this one. imagine your identity is defending a broken system, and you have to resort to crackpot theories to justify it, because the facts simply aren't on your side. that's what propaganda and brainwashing does to the weak, uncritical mind... hilarious.


What part of posting links to peer-reviewed studies is science-denial, fuckhead?
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Oct 14 2020 09:23am
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lol, santara went full science-denying bigot in this one. imagine your identity is defending a broken system, and you have to resort to crackpot theories to justify it, because the facts simply aren't on your side. that's what propaganda and brainwashing does to the weak, uncritical mind... hilarious.


oh lame i can see u on the work laptop.

vitamin d uptake is science, and is a serious contributing factor to covid.

you just come off like a pathetic attention seeker here lol.

anyways, back to the abyss for you Goebbels.

Quote (Santara @ Oct 14 2020 10:22am)
I'm saying vitamin D is the single largest factor here.



What part of posting links to peer-reviewed studies is science-denial, fuckhead?


i still disagree with that assessment, but its like saying Lebron is #1 of all time instead of #3 behind Kareem and MJ. so fairly fruitless. and we wont have any legit ass data for a few years at least, we just have enough now to suggest its a noteworthy contributing factor.

and of course means we need to segregate all northern states and send the blacks back south, aka santara racist.

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Quote (Santara @ 14 Oct 2020 17:22)
I'm saying vitamin D is the single largest factor here.



What part of posting links to peer-reviewed studies is science-denial, fuckhead?


the part where you're desperately trying to make it the central most important factor in this pandemic, trying to justify your braindead takes about a plot to kill a governor, trying to run interference for right wing terrorists, twisting yourself into a pretzel to argue that she somehow deserved it...

it's funny how masks and social distancing are the focus of scientists around the world, and not vitamin d supplements, huh? but hey, whatever helps you justify your moronic ideology, lol...
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Oct 14 2020 09:33am
tbh because this is a haven from the face diaper promoters
and if some people stray too far... oh well. they are idiots. but who cares
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