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Dec 18 2018 11:12am
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 18 2018 09:46am)
That doesn't make sense, but okay.



https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1075070735633268741

Judge Sullivan: So Flynn could’ve also been charged in that indictment unsealed in Virginia yesterday, right? Gov: Yes.

Judge Sullivan: “Exposure to Mr. Flynn would have been significant?” Gov: Yes.

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Judge Sullivan:

“This crime is very serious.”

“In the White House! In the West Wing!”

“It’s a very serious offense.”

“You can’t minimize that.”

I guess Judge Sullivan takes "process crimes" a little more seriously than Trumpworld.


well ofc it wouldn't make sense to the pigeon stumbling across the chess board.
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Dec 18 2018 11:50am
Judge Sullivan walking back some of his more hyperbolic comments.

https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1075084489691488259

This is some good reality television.

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Flynn's lawyer said he is prepared to take Judge Sullivan up on his offer to delay the sentencing until after Flynn's cooperation with the government, particularly in the EDVA case, is fully over. Won't be sentenced for months.

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Dec 18 2018 12:29pm
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 18 2018 11:50am)
Judge Sullivan walking back some of his more hyperbolic comments.

https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1075084489691488259

This is some good reality television.

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Flynn's lawyer said he is prepared to take Judge Sullivan up on his offer to delay the sentencing until after Flynn's cooperation with the government, particularly in the EDVA case, is fully over. Won't be sentenced for months.


I think this kind of illustrates that a criminal justice system is manned by flawed people in all aspects- flawed prosecutors, flawed defense attorneys, flawed judges, flawed defendants. To lionize any of them is a mistake, because humans are inherently flawed. And the judge's authority is undercut when he exposes his own misunderstandings of the case and its implications. Its not like he's some partisan here- its the same judge that ordered the 302 released like the Republicans demanded- but the fact he was spouting off about 'treason' was absurd. I'm sure it makes for good spectacle, but it cheapens the trust in the system. Can we trust that the prosecutors and judge have all carefully weighed and considered appropriate the prosecution of Flynn when regards are given to the intrusion of the judiciary and FBI onto both the executive's prerogative over foreign policy and the candidate's affairs of his own campaign? Everything from the 302 reaffirms the dangers of the FBI poking their heads into international affairs and micromanaging diplomatic relations. Even if those interventions could be done with impartial precision, it would imperil executive authority. But when you have a cloud of politicization, FBI agents clearly infected with bias and political animus, and a judge with the care of a bull in a china shop- we can't trust the system. Let alone the damage it does to interdepartmental cooperation when white house officials and other IC leadership can no longer trust their casual contact with the FBI and need lawyers present to defuse any traps.
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Dec 18 2018 12:48pm
Our country and constitution can only be run by a moral and god-fearing people. The founders will prove themselves right as this social experiment slowly rots from within.
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Dec 18 2018 12:54pm
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Our country and constitution can only be run by a moral and god-fearing people. The founders will prove themselves right as this social experiment slowly rots from within.


Taking part in religion does not equate to morals... The catholic church is a good example of that.
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Dec 18 2018 12:58pm
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Taking part in religion does not equate to morals... The catholic church is a good example of that.


The founding fathers were protestants...
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Dec 18 2018 01:00pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 18 2018 01:29pm)
I think this kind of illustrates that a criminal justice system is manned by flawed people in all aspects- flawed prosecutors, flawed defense attorneys, flawed judges, flawed defendants. To lionize any of them is a mistake, because humans are inherently flawed. And the judge's authority is undercut when he exposes his own misunderstandings of the case and its implications. Its not like he's some partisan here- its the same judge that ordered the 302 released like the Republicans demanded- but the fact he was spouting off about 'treason' was absurd. I'm sure it makes for good spectacle, but it cheapens the trust in the system. Can we trust that the prosecutors and judge have all carefully weighed and considered appropriate the prosecution of Flynn when regards are given to the intrusion of the judiciary and FBI onto both the executive's prerogative over foreign policy and the candidate's affairs of his own campaign? Everything from the 302 reaffirms the dangers of the FBI poking their heads into international affairs and micromanaging diplomatic relations. Even if those interventions could be done with impartial precision, it would imperil executive authority. But when you have a cloud of politicization, FBI agents clearly infected with bias and political animus, and a judge with the care of a bull in a china shop- we can't trust the system. Let alone the damage it does to interdepartmental cooperation when white house officials and other IC leadership can no longer trust their casual contact with the FBI and need lawyers present to defuse any traps.


- 99% of people criticizing this judge or law enforcement are doing so because they are partisan hacks.. after this investigation is over they'll go back to not caring about what happens in our justice system every day
- the judge wanted the 302 released not because Republicans demanded it, but because he wanted to fully understand what nonsense Flynn's lawyers were spouting in the memo
- the executive's prerogative over foreign policy was intruded upon by the transition team, which the judge noted
- it's the FBI's job to suss out foreign influence on our politics
- the 302 makes clear that Flynn understood what the FBI was coming over for, but he chose to lie multiple times anyway

I think this investigation shows that the system was and is working... FBI and DOJ officials were doing their jobs while a corrupt campaign and transition team were moving in. I said this before... the Hannity spin might matter in opinion polls, but judges aren't buying it.
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Dec 18 2018 01:02pm
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The founding fathers were protestants...


...and? Religion no matter the sect does not and never will equate to having morals. I have known plenty of religious people who were horrible people. Growing in the bible belt it wasnt hard to find them.
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...and? Religion no matter the sect does not and never will equate to having morals. I have known plenty of religious people who were horrible people. Growing in the bible belt it wasnt hard to find them.


Once again flaunting that you don't understand statistics or a bell curve.

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