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Mar 27 2017 09:22am
Rather than adding to the current Trump thread, I felt this deserved it's own post.

Seth Abramson going #BallsOut on Twitter, regarding the case to investigate #RussiaGate, and all of the ties between his campaign (and now administration), Russian government and business interests, the sale of Rosneft, and more. It paints a hell of a picture, and while there isn't concrete evidence yet that ties all this together, the picture this paints (and the facts that are used to paint this picture) are more than sufficient to justify a full investigation.

As of 10:00 AM CDT, his Twitter feed has a lengthy list of Tweets (with citations in individual Tweets...way too many to link in this post) regarding this, as well as Chris Steele's potential testimony (which would be informal testimony to House and Senate Democrats, since the GOP-controlled Congress won't call for formal testimony).

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson

DailyKos has a compilation of his first TweetStorm on the 23rd about this (only reason I'm even linking Kos at all is because the post in question compiles all the first group of Tweets in one page).

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/3/23/1646686/-RussiaGate-blows-WIDE-OPEN-in-Abrahamson-report-High-crimes-and-misdemeanors-by-Trump-Sessions

Note: Before all the usual suspects freak out in their usual ways, THIS IS NOT FULLY CONFIRMED YET. There's simply enough information that have been verified to justify a full investigation.
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Mar 27 2017 09:26am
those damn russians!
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Mar 27 2017 09:47am
if trump just pulling out of his ass the idea that obama was wiretapping his phones is enough to justify an investigation, then yeah, i don't think there is any arguing against putting people on this. someone's head is gonna roll. maybe just a campaign peon, but sometimes public sentiment and momentum requires you to kill a sheep.
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Mar 27 2017 10:06am
Quote (chemoshots @ Mar 27 2017 10:47am)
if trump just pulling out of his ass the idea that obama was wiretapping his phones is enough to justify an investigation, then yeah, i don't think there is any arguing against putting people on this. someone's head is gonna roll. maybe just a campaign peon, but sometimes public sentiment and momentum requires you to kill a sheep.


The amount of evidence that is available right now would be more than enough to satisfy grand jury requirements in a regular court of law. GOP stonewalling just creates the appearance of complicity.
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Mar 27 2017 10:07am
Donald Trump's team 'wiping their electronic devices' in case they have to give evidence

Allegations come just weeks after government lawyers ordered president’s aides to preserve materials that could be connected to Russian interference in 2016 election

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-staff-wiping-electronic-devices-subpoena-fbi-investigation-russia-a7651276.html
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Mar 27 2017 10:25am
Quote (Voyaging @ Mar 27 2017 11:07am)
Donald Trump's team 'wiping their electronic devices' in case they have to give evidence

Allegations come just weeks after government lawyers ordered president’s aides to preserve materials that could be connected to Russian interference in 2016 election

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-staff-wiping-electronic-devices-subpoena-fbi-investigation-russia-a7651276.html


So, looks like these aides are falling on the swords to protect their bosses. There certainly can (and should) be legal ramifications for disobeying orders to preserve that data.
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Mar 27 2017 10:27am
Quote (chemoshots @ Mar 27 2017 10:47am)
if trump just pulling out of his ass the idea that obama was wiretapping his phones is enough to justify an investigation, then yeah, i don't think there is any arguing against putting people on this. someone's head is gonna roll. maybe just a campaign peon, but sometimes public sentiment and momentum requires you to kill a sheep.



Trump wasn't 'wire tapped' as a direct command from obama, however he was caught up in "incidental collection" That much has been established.

Quote (Voyaging @ Mar 27 2017 11:07am)
Donald Trump's team 'wiping their electronic devices' in case they have to give evidence

Allegations come just weeks after government lawyers ordered president’s aides to preserve materials that could be connected to Russian interference in 2016 election

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-staff-wiping-electronic-devices-subpoena-fbi-investigation-russia-a7651276.html


Taking a move out of hillarys playbook
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Mar 27 2017 10:28am
Quote (IgoSoHard @ Mar 27 2017 11:27am)
Trump wasn't 'wire tapped' as a direct command from obama, however he was caught up in "incidental collection" That much has been established.



Taking a move out of hillarys playbook


Maybe hillary will let him borrow her copy of bleachbit, it worked effectively for her!

This does not bode well for the Trumpster.

This post was edited by Master_Zappy on Mar 27 2017 10:30am
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Mar 27 2017 10:34am
If Clinton were in office it would pretty easy to spin a Russiagate story about her and her administration as well. And she actually has direct links to the Russian gov and business affiliates, so it would probably be even easier. I still don't think this is going anywhere. It could potentially if the GOP just really wants to make Trump a fall guy, but unless the GOP thinks it's advantageous I don't think we'll see any real action outside of political posturing for votes. It's a classic FUD strategy.

And a guy who writes for the Puffington Host basically is required to puff things up in order to keep his career.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Mar 27 2017 10:37am
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Mar 27 2017 10:35am
Quote (Master_Zappy @ Mar 27 2017 09:28am)
Maybe hillary will let him borrow her copy of bleachbit, it worked effectively for her!

This does not bode well for the Trumpster.


Bodes excellently for him, since all the electronic data is being wiped, given that the investigation was telegraphed SO FAR in advance.
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