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May 27 2020 01:56am
Quote (Tyrantus @ May 27 2020 12:46am)
You sure do have some pretty strong things to say about something that needs a couple more decades to be understood. Perhaps in all fairness you don't really understand? You can call me all the names you want, but the ship will stay on the same course it's on.

Apropos, I actually did read all of your post. That's why I told you to take it up with those in a position of authority. Maybe you can change their minds. (Doubt it.) "Oh no there's a link below this post saying 'get the facts about mail-in ballots!'" Perhaps on your way to Twitter headquarters, you can stumble upon a real problem. LOL.


You suck at attempting to mock perfectly valid points.

Average age of Congress: 57.8 years old.

The problem arises when the upper half of that average doesn't understand how social media works. When you mention "Facebook" to them, they don't even fully understand that it's a communication tool. They say, "You mean that thing my grandchild plays Farmville on?" How are they supposed to legislate something that's completely foreign to them?

The same question arose with the telephone, with television, with audio and video recording. Hell, the same issues arose with newspapers themselves. The entire US legal system and the government itself is set up to move slowly, work slowly, and check itself at every turn.

And you never told me to "take it up with those in a position of authority". You told me to take it up with the social media companies themselves, who're currently immune from legislation over the use of their platforms, or their own abuses of First Amendment protections. If it is a "platform" then they cannot legally censor. Just as your phone company cannot cut of your phone service because you're telling your buddy to vote for Joe Bidan, or even interrupt your call to tell you he's a prevert, neither can social media do the same, if they are legally a "platform". So, when you indicate I take it up with a "position of authority" then point me to these "not-platforms" themselves, what you're really saying is, "Stop attempting to sway opinion, and go hit your head on a wall."

I'm curious why you didn't suggest the more logical course of writing my congress-people, or possibly getting in with a legal group to take it to the Supreme Court?
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May 27 2020 03:03am
He's definitely missleading by saying that mail voting "will be anything less than substantially fraudulent".
He's afraid by moderated voters, simply.
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May 27 2020 04:36am
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 26 2020 10:30pm)
Corporations are people, so to attack Twitter for this is to interfere with Twitter's free speech.



Censorship has always existed, will always exist, and should always exist. It's just a matter of who is doing the censoring. Non-government entities can censor all they want. We all do it, if somebody comes in my house and says something unpleasant I'm gonna kick them out. Similarly if I host a platform and what is said is against the terms of service I lay out, I get to censor them as well. We have like a dozen platforms for spewing shit now. If you don't like how one platforms censors you spewing move to a different one.



Neutral fact checking is garbage fact checking. No facts will ever be entirely out of dispute. That's just not how reality works. What you want is objective fact checking. Neutral fact checking is "X says this, Y says this". Objective fact checking is "X said this which is not backed up by evidence and was likely made up on the spot and Y said this which is backed up by numerous studies and the opinions of experts in the field. As a result it's clear that X is probably not true." Media should not be neutral, media should be objective.

I know not all conservatives think this, but I spent 8 years under Obama being told by conservatives on the forum that you aren't owed internet access or access to any of the platforms, so they can do what they want.



Why should a business not cave in to leftist bias if it makes money? Why shouldn't a private company use whatever means necessary to generate revenue? Isn't that the purpose of their entire existence?


It's very odd how you rightfully are distrustful of corporations power and influence when it comes to wealth inequality and corporations buying political influence essentially.

But you are not as scared of the cultural and societal power these corporations now wield by aligning themselves with movements or ideology that suits their bottom line.

At a certain point, if the monopolization of the social media platforms of well over 50% of all network traffic is owned by less than 10 companies, you really have to ask yourself if "private companies can regulate their own platform" starts to become counter productive as a whole.

This ultimately just makes me less optimistic since I don't see how the dystopian futures could be prevented when you have companies with enough power to not only buy all of influence in politics but enough wealth to buy up all competition and innovation similar to how the food industry is also now just a mixed conglomerate of like 5 companies.

Amazon/Facebook/Google/Apple/Disney will just continue to buy up everything , until there's a point where anti-trust and the spirit of anti-monopoly just doesn't exist and you can argue to a certain extent , monopolization is basically legal now.



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May 27 2020 06:10am
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Quote (Goomshill @ May 26 2020 11:58pm)
Trump gave them many opportunities to post their thoughtcrime tags on him when he said something factually wrong
Instead they used it when he gave a political opinion

The efficacy of voting by mail is a matter of public debate. Twitter just declared that only one side is allowed to voice their opinion and the other side is wrong.
If republicans want to argue that voting by mail would lead to more voter fraud and should be curtailed and democrats argue its secure and should be expanded- that's a public policy debate worth having

Twitter are ramping up the censorship machine and looking to abuse their clout to influence the 2020 election, they won't hold back this time


They did let him lie on their platform a lot, and any negative effects is the fault of Twitter for platforming it.

And you're right, they let it on for a long time.

Trump has had a lot of enablers. He is America's abusive spouse at this point.

And his opinion is still there, just fact checked.

This is the guy who's been walking around stating hes taking malaria medicine for no reason at all.


Quote (Tyrantus @ May 27 2020 02:41am)
I'm all for Donald Trump being fact checked via Twitter. It should have happened sooner. As for his claim of stifling free speech, https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/trump-free-speech-twitter-google-facebook-authoritarianism.html

It's pretty disingenuous to complain about the very thing he would love to enforce on his "enemies."


This is also true.


Quote (Tyrantus @ May 27 2020 03:46am)
You sure do have some pretty strong things to say about something that needs a couple more decades to be understood. Perhaps in all fairness you don't really understand? You can call me all the names you want, but the ship will stay on the same course it's on.

Apropos, I actually did read all of your post. That's why I told you to take it up with those in a position of authority. Maybe you can change their minds. (Doubt it.) "Oh no there's a link below this post saying 'get the facts about mail-in ballots!'" Perhaps on your way to Twitter headquarters, you can stumble upon a real problem. LOL.


AutismBob will call you names for disagreeing with him, he knows everything, and is very rigid.


Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 27 2020 05:03am)
He's definitely missleading by saying that mail voting "will be anything less than substantially fraudulent".
He's afraid by moderated voters, simply.


Expanding the ability to vote undermines all the voter suppression the GOP has engaged in for decades.

The party that cannot win a popular election does not want you to vote.

This post was edited by Skinned on May 27 2020 06:17am
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May 27 2020 06:15am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ May 27 2020 03:56am)
You suck at attempting to mock perfectly valid points.

Average age of Congress: 57.8 years old.

The problem arises when the upper half of that average doesn't understand how social media works. When you mention "Facebook" to them, they don't even fully understand that it's a communication tool. They say, "You mean that thing my grandchild plays Farmville on?" How are they supposed to legislate something that's completely foreign to them?

The same question arose with the telephone, with television, with audio and video recording. Hell, the same issues arose with newspapers themselves. The entire US legal system and the government itself is set up to move slowly, work slowly, and check itself at every turn.

And you never told me to "take it up with those in a position of authority". You told me to take it up with the social media companies themselves, who're currently immune from legislation over the use of their platforms, or their own abuses of First Amendment protections. If it is a "platform" then they cannot legally censor. Just as your phone company cannot cut of your phone service because you're telling your buddy to vote for Joe Bidan, or even interrupt your call to tell you he's a prevert, neither can social media do the same, if they are legally a "platform". So, when you indicate I take it up with a "position of authority" then point me to these "not-platforms" themselves, what you're really saying is, "Stop attempting to sway opinion, and go hit your head on a wall."

I'm curious why you didn't suggest the more logical course of writing my congress-people, or possibly getting in with a legal group to take it to the Supreme Court?


Democrats are literally taking over school, colleges, companies, media, hollywood and the republicans are just dicking around watching it happen.
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May 27 2020 06:23am
Quote (EndlessSky @ May 27 2020 08:15am)
Democrats are literally taking over school, colleges, companies, media, hollywood and the republicans are just dicking around watching it happen.


You still have the trailer parks and Nascar.
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May 27 2020 06:56am
Its a good thing Twitter is stepping in to stop the spread of fake news
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May 27 2020 07:04am
Quote (Tyrantus @ May 27 2020 02:41am)
I'm all for Donald Trump being fact checked via Twitter. It should have happened sooner. As for his claim of stifling free speech, https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/trump-free-speech-twitter-google-facebook-authoritarianism.html

It's pretty disingenuous to complain about the very thing he would love to enforce on his "enemies."


"Trump is authoritarian, ergo, it is wrong to complain about Twitter being authoritarian."

Wrong.
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May 27 2020 07:07am
Quote (duffman316 @ May 27 2020 08:56am)
Its a good thing Twitter is stepping in to stop the spread of fake news


Explain it to me like i'm 5 years old how someone can fact check a future event, one that hasn't happened yet and deem it false.
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May 27 2020 07:20am
Quote (sir_lance_bb @ 27 May 2020 12:36)
It's very odd how you rightfully are distrustful of corporations power and influence when it comes to wealth inequality and corporations buying political influence essentially.

But you are not as scared of the cultural and societal power these corporations now wield by aligning themselves with movements or ideology that suits their bottom line.

At a certain point, if the monopolization of the social media platforms of well over 50% of all network traffic is owned by less than 10 companies, you really have to ask yourself if "private companies can regulate their own platform" starts to become counter productive as a whole.

This ultimately just makes me less optimistic since I don't see how the dystopian futures could be prevented when you have companies with enough power to not only buy all of influence in politics but enough wealth to buy up all competition and innovation similar to how the food industry is also now just a mixed conglomerate of like 5 companies.

Amazon/Facebook/Google/Apple/Disney will just continue to buy up everything , until there's a point where anti-trust and the spirit of anti-monopoly just doesn't exist and you can argue to a certain extent , monopolization is basically legal now.


Excellent post!

People like thor are not scared of the cultural and societal power these corporations amass because his own cultural values happen to be in agreement with theirs. The underlying stance is quite easy to sum up: "I dont care about censorship and manipulation of public opinion as long as it's the people I disagree with who are being censored and my own viewpoints which are being given an unfair advantage."



Quote (duffman316 @ 27 May 2020 14:56)
Its a good thing Twitter is stepping in to stop the spread of fake news


Except that there is no fake news in this case. Trump is making bold predictions about a hypothetical future, and twitter is taking sides in what should be an open-ended public policy debate.

Goomshill put it best:
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Trump gave them many opportunities to post their thoughtcrime tags on him when he said something factually wrong
Instead they used it when he gave a political opinion

The efficacy of voting by mail is a matter of public debate. Twitter just declared that only one side is allowed to voice their opinion and the other side is wrong.
If republicans want to argue that voting by mail would lead to more voter fraud and should be curtailed and democrats argue its secure and should be expanded- that's a public policy debate worth having


This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 27 2020 07:20am
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