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May 26 2020 09:38pm
Not biased to call a spade a spade.

Trump working hard to delegitimize this election in case he loses it.
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I'm really confused how a fact check can be applied to a future event. He very clearly used the words 'will be'



All it would take is one case of the above to happen and his tweet wouldn't be factually wrong.

if that did happen then they (‘fact checkers’) would blame “russia” for hacking the election like they have for 3 years now
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May 26 2020 09:43pm
I seriously wonder - when did America stop being the good guys in the world?
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I seriously wonder - when did America stop being the good guys in the world?


Assassinations of the Kennedys and King?

LBJ was probably beginning of the end lol. By nixon we're evil empire.

This post was edited by Skinned on May 26 2020 09:45pm
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Assassinations of the Kennedys and King?

LBJ was probably beginning of the end lol. By nixon we're evil empire.


Not a bad bet. A pity though that a country with so high aspirations can fall into itself like this.
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May 26 2020 09:53pm
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Assassinations of the Kennedys and King?

LBJ was probably beginning of the end lol. By nixon we're evil empire.


Nah, we weren't good when King was around. I mean, King had to exist after all. And he was the subject of smear campaigns by the FBI, and we elected Nixon who used the Southern Strategy.
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May 26 2020 09:54pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 27 May 2020 05:05)
and I wholly reject that these companies have a monopoly on one "type" of social media. That's splitting things too fine to be meaningful. There's a ton of social media websites that can get opinions out. You can podcast on YouTube, SoundCloud, Apple ITunes, and upload them to any number of websites. While YouTube is the largest, there's other video hosting websites like Vimeo. If you want to make short posts you can do that on Twitter, Facebook, or even the community tab on your youtube channel. Even better, you can literally do all of them at once in a combined web presence where you tweet, talk about tweets on youtube, tweet your youtube uploads, and etc. etc.

To say social media companies have a monopoly is like saying that Coke has a monopoly because it's the only one that can sell Coke. These are flavors, not different products.


Social media is unique in the sense that (ceteris paribus) "higher number of users = better product". This is not the case with drinks, food, cars, tourism, clothes, sports, financial services or any other (mature/established) mainstream industry.

If Coke doubled its market share, their drinks would still taste the same. If the NBA doubled its viewership, the quality of play would still be the same. The quality of services provided by banks remains flat or perhaps increases very marginally when its customer base grows.
In normal industries, better product -> more customers. In social media, better product -> more customers -> better product, leading to a self-reinforcing circle. There is just a HUGE upside in everyone being on the same social network.

Perhaps you're not as aware of this effect because you're (iirc?!) too young to have experienced facebook vs myspace. You're also from the U.S., so you havent experienced first-hand how facebook squashed the similar social network sites which had been popping up in Europe in the mid-2000s and which were VERY popular at the time.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 26 2020 09:55pm
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May 26 2020 09:58pm
Trump gave them many opportunities to post their thoughtcrime tags on him when he said something factually wrong
Instead they used it when he gave a political opinion

The efficacy of voting by mail is a matter of public debate. Twitter just declared that only one side is allowed to voice their opinion and the other side is wrong.
If republicans want to argue that voting by mail would lead to more voter fraud and should be curtailed and democrats argue its secure and should be expanded- that's a public policy debate worth having

Twitter are ramping up the censorship machine and looking to abuse their clout to influence the 2020 election, they won't hold back this time
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Social media is unique in the sense that (ceteris paribus) "higher number of users = better product". This is not the case with drinks, food, cars, tourism, clothes, sports, financial services or any other (mature/established) mainstream industry.

If Coke doubled its market share, their drinks would still taste the same. If the NBA doubled its viewership, the quality of play would still be the same. The quality of services provided by banks remains flat or perhaps increases very marginally when its customer base grows.
In normal industries, better product -> more customers. In social media, better product -> more customers -> better product, leading to a self-reinforcing circle. There is just a HUGE upside in everyone being on the same social network.

Perhaps you're not as aware of this effect because you're (iirc?!) too young to have experienced facebook vs myspace. You're also from the U.S., so you havent experienced first-hand how facebook squashed the similar social network sites which had been popping up in Europe in the mid-2000s and which were VERY popular at the time.


I was around for MySpace, and only barely missed Friendster.

Still, your point doesn't stand. There are dozens of websites that all fulfill similar functions and userbases. Facebook killed MySpace, but it hasn't killed Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, despite all of them having overlapping spheres such as posting and video hosting. Facebook also hasn't killed specific smaller flavors like LinkedIn, which to many people's distaste is becoming more facebook-like and less professional.

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Trump gave them many opportunities to post their thoughtcrime tags on him when he said something factually wrong
Instead they used it when he gave a political opinion

The efficacy of voting by mail is a matter of public debate. Twitter just declared that only one side is allowed to voice their opinion and the other side is wrong.
If republicans want to argue that voting by mail would lead to more voter fraud and should be curtailed and democrats argue its secure and should be expanded- that's a public policy debate worth having

Twitter are ramping up the censorship machine and looking to abuse their clout to influence the 2020 election, they won't hold back this time


Trump was not stopped from voicing his opinion, was he? His message is still up for the world to see right?

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 26 2020 10:01pm
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Quote (DocPhil @ 27 May 2020 05:43)
I seriously wonder - when did America stop being the good guys in the world?


Quote (Skinned @ 27 May 2020 05:44)
Assassinations of the Kennedys and King?

LBJ was probably beginning of the end lol. By nixon we're evil empire.


Nah, lol. In 1953, there was Operation Ajax/the CIA-led coup d'état in Iran, motivated by greed for oil.
Before that, you were dropping nukes on cities.
And before the nukes, there were lynchings and slavery and Jim Crow and cutthroat capitalism and the Trail of Tears and the imperialist Monroe Doctrine and so on and on.

The United States have always been a morally ambiguous empire at best - an empire that just happened to have decades of good PR in the Western world after having been on the right side of history in World Wars I & II; and because of the necessity of portraying them as the good guys in Cold War propaganda.

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