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#31
Mar 16 2020 08:29am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 16 Mar 2020 10:24)
Why do you all think that the party would just nominate Bernie if Biden has to drop out all of a sudden due to some health issue? Keep in mind how this primary went: despite having by far the largest name recognition/national profile and tons of institutional backing, Biden struggled a lot. He ran horrible campaigns in Iowa and New Hampshire and got horrible results. Bloomberg's entire run was predicated on the notion of Biden's weakness.

The party did not rally around Biden in the end because Biden convinced them, they did so because they couldnt find a better alternative and Sanders threatened to run away with the nomination on Super Tuesday if the rest of the field had remained divided.
The party establishment as well as a large majority of the primary voters weren't "yeah, Biden", they were "everyone but Sanders, so we gotta go with Biden it seems". Same story with the turnout patterns we saw in states like Virginia or Massachusetts, where there was a big surge in wealthy, pro-status-quo suburbs. This was not a pro-Biden surge, it was an anti-Sanders surge!


All of this anti-Sanders movement and sentiment would still remain even if Biden himself had to drop out of the race unexpectedly. There's no way the party would just rally behind Sanders. They would probably go with Bloomberg or Warren I would say.

they wouldn't nominate Barnie if he was the last primary candidate left from the 2020 cycle that was deemed viable. Hillary would go first, then the corpse of Robert Byrd and the corpse of Ted Kennedy, then Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. keep going down the list and Barnie may edge out Trump and Pence as the nominee for the (D) candidate for President in 2020.
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#32
Mar 16 2020 08:46am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 16 2020 09:24am)
Why do you all think that the party would just nominate Bernie if Biden has to drop out all of a sudden due to some health issue? Keep in mind how this primary went: despite having by far the largest name recognition/national profile and tons of institutional backing, Biden struggled a lot. He ran horrible campaigns in Iowa and New Hampshire and got horrible results. Bloomberg's entire run was predicated on the notion of Biden's weakness.

The party did not rally around Biden in the end because Biden convinced them, they did so because they couldnt find a better alternative and Sanders threatened to run away with the nomination on Super Tuesday if the rest of the field had remained divided.
The party establishment as well as a large majority of the primary voters weren't "yeah, Biden", they were "everyone but Sanders, so we gotta go with Biden it seems". Same story with the turnout patterns we saw in states like Virginia or Massachusetts, where there was a big surge in wealthy, pro-status-quo suburbs. This was not a pro-Biden surge, it was an anti-Sanders surge!

All of this anti-Sanders movement and sentiment would still remain even if Biden himself had to drop out of the race unexpectedly. There's no way the party would just rally behind Sanders. They would probably go with Bloomberg or Warren I would say.


He wouldn't get the nomination by default, there would be a process, but if he's the last person in the race and as a result had the vast majority of delegates and was the only person still in the race who was campaigning and speaking to the people during most of the primary..... then it would be hard for them not to nominate Bernie and not blow their 2020 chances by ignoring the people.
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#33
Mar 16 2020 08:59am
Quote (Giannis @ Mar 15 2020 12:29pm)
I mean he is a 10:1 underdog at this point. It could be seen as extremely selfish if he moves forward with this given the circumstances.


Not really. Only of you had a really strong self-confirmation bias.
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#34
Mar 16 2020 09:27am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 16 Mar 2020 08:24)
Why do you all think that the party would just nominate Bernie if Biden has to drop out all of a sudden due to some health issue? Keep in mind how this primary went: despite having by far the largest name recognition/national profile and tons of institutional backing, Biden struggled a lot. He ran horrible campaigns in Iowa and New Hampshire and got horrible results. Bloomberg's entire run was predicated on the notion of Biden's weakness.

The party did not rally around Biden in the end because Biden convinced them, they did so because they couldnt find a better alternative and Sanders threatened to run away with the nomination on Super Tuesday if the rest of the field had remained divided.
The party establishment as well as a large majority of the primary voters weren't "yeah, Biden", they were "everyone but Sanders, so we gotta go with Biden it seems". Same story with the turnout patterns we saw in states like Virginia or Massachusetts, where there was a big surge in wealthy, pro-status-quo suburbs. This was not a pro-Biden surge, it was an anti-Sanders surge!


All of this anti-Sanders movement and sentiment would still remain even if Biden himself had to drop out of the race unexpectedly. There's no way the party would just rally behind Sanders. They would probably go with Bloomberg or Warren I would say.


You raise a fair point. If Biden has to drop out for whatever reason, we should not simply assume that Sanders will become the Democratic nominee.

That said, if the party does choose anyone but Sanders at the convention if Biden has to drop out, I think it would be an all-out party bloodbath and likely worse for the party if they picked Warren or Bloomberg. I think their hand would be forced.
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Mar 16 2020 09:57am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 16 Mar 2020 15:46)
He wouldn't get the nomination by default, there would be a process, but if he's the last person in the race and as a result had the vast majority of delegates and was the only person still in the race who was campaigning and speaking to the people during most of the primary..... then it would be hard for them not to nominate Bernie and not blow their 2020 chances by ignoring the people.


He would not be the last person in the race. Someone like Warren or Bloomberg would immediately reenter the race, receive the votes that had normally gone to Biden, and at the convention, Biden would endorse his replacement, who'd still hold a majority of delegates.

If there is ONE thing these primaries have made perfectly clear, it's that a majority of the party (both leadership and the rank-and-file) do not want Bernie as the nominee.




Once Biden has chosen a VP, this discussion is moot anyway, at this point, the VP would take over if Biden had a health issue.
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#36
Mar 16 2020 10:05am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 15 2020 11:31am)
Not really. He was the frontrunner just a few weeks ago, it can shift again.


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Mar 16 2020 11:04am
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More or less ^_^

Not a great chance, but it's not the weirdest thing that has happened in presidential politics these last few years.
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Mar 16 2020 11:06am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 16 2020 12:04pm)
More or less ^_^

Not a great chance, but it's not the weirdest thing that has happened in presidential politics these last few years.


tbh at this point id stay in as bernie or biden regardless of delegates. youre up against an old man either way that travels constantly and shakes 1000 hands a week. not to be morose, but a corona virus case puts either out of the race.
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#39
Mar 16 2020 11:46am
Quote (thesnipa @ 16 Mar 2020 18:06)
tbh at this point id stay in as bernie or biden regardless of delegates. youre up against an old man either way that travels constantly and shakes 1000 hands a week. not to be morose, but a corona virus case puts either out of the race.


but not permanently?! if he doesnt have a severe progress of the disease, he'd only have to self-quarantine for 2-3 weeks with mild symptoms.
in the case of Biden, no one would even notice 2 weeks without public appearances, lol.

catching the coronavirus only puts them out of the race entirely if they develop complications, have to be intubated etc.
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#40
Mar 16 2020 11:48am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 16 2020 12:46pm)
but not permanently?! if he doesnt have a severe progress of the disease, he'd only have to self-quarantine for 2-3 weeks with mild symptoms.
in the case of Biden, no one would even notice 2 weeks without public appearances, lol.

catching the coronavirus only puts them out of the race entirely if they develop complications, have to be intubated etc.


in the current climate of hysteria a case would be a "he needs to drop out now" situation. imo.
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