That's my observation too. At least as a clear tendency, you will of course find a few pro-israel progressives and pro-palestine moderates if you search for them long enough.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 6 2019 08:48pm

I suppose the meaningful difference between the two is lost on me.

Handcuffs, fellow lefty and SJW. One of the most bizarre unholy alliances I've witnessed this decade has been the "woke" left and Islam. I still can't understand how the intersectional left is unable to criticize Islam and the cultures surrounding Islam amongst many middle east countries.

White Intersectional feminism is critical of plenty of things in western society when it comes to rape culture and inequality, prostitution etc... But it's incapable of calling like it is when it comes to matters of Islam. Child marriages, FGM, restriction of many rights, etc...

Why is Linda Sarsour allowed to parade in women's marches when she promotes sharia law which could not be further from anything feminist. Why is she being applauded still be the "inclusive" crowd when she wishes she could take the vagina away of a FGM survivor because she dare be critical of Islam. Why someone who is not inclusive with the inclusivity crowd?

Why are only radfems fighting this battle and being called bigots and white while doing so?

Is the purity battles and white guilt reaching a level so high that the mere possibility of appearing as a someone who might be a bigot keeps them from doing so? Is it in order to appear the opposite of the right who has some Islamophobia within it's rank? Some sort of overcorrection gone wrong?

I know this isn't totally related to the topic at hand but the back and forth with jews/Israel/palestine and the right/left discussion reminded me of this big question mark I've had for years.

This post was edited by Helloween7 on Mar 6 2019 09:04pm

You must be stupid then.

Principle: Two plus two is four.

Ideology: Two plus two is three, no what, seven, no what, fourty two, hang on!

This is the difference. A principle does not change. It is a baseline for your life. Just as math is, funny enough. It is not morality that dictates principles, it's principles that dictates morality. I do not believe, at this moment in time, that AOC has principles. I believe she's all about the money.

Which is odd. Because Trump is what he is, I believe he does have principles. I just can't figure out what the fuck they are, yeah?

Must be.

Im not following this line of thinking either.

Ideology:
n. The body of ideas reflecting the social needs and aspirations of an individual, group, class, or culture.
n. A set of doctrines or beliefs that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system.


Idk about you, but my ideology doesn't change every other day or assert that 2+2=7

An ideology like communism doesnt magically transform into liking private property and capitalism the next day.

Helloween7, how happy I am that you're posting once again. I see you lurking occasionally though.

Your post bring a few things to mind. One of the first things is that I think the situation with the left and criticisms of Islam is very analogous to the situation of those critical of Israel. Unfortunately, some people take criticism of Islam and specific practices as being synonymous with being Islamophobic in terms of being anti-Mulism, similar to how some people view criticisms of Israel as being antisemitic.

Specifically with feminism, I think the nuance is that I agree with some of the people critical of white, Western, radfems in so far as the brand of feminism that they adhere to is inherently influenced by Western ideology, and subsequently there is something to be said about the "holier than thou" approach many Western feminists take. One major example I can think of is the divide over whether hair/head scarves are "feminist" or not, and many Western feminists concluded that they were not, and instead a sign of oppression. Those who opposed this viewpoint argue that there's nothing more feminist than women deciding what they want to wear, including hair/headscarves, and those who wear them reject the idea that they wear them simply because of female subjugation.

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Mar 6 2019 09:35pm

If the establishment Dems need 4 more years of Trump to get completely fucked they are more than welcome to it.

That's why there are so many right wing conservative terrorist attacks these days. Disaffected ideologically overwhelmed conservative males.