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Mar 6 2019 07:24pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Mar 6 2019 05:19pm)
My entire three letter response to this thread (at the time of this post):

AOC


While AOC is certainly making headlines more often than her other freshman counterparts, she is not alone in being on the progressive side of the on-going divide.
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Mar 6 2019 07:27pm
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Nobody does a circular firing squad better than democrats. They just can't resist it.
This is the lurching monstrosity I warned everyone about back two years ago. Democrats whipped up a radicalized base with incitement first to try to win the elections and then to try to delegitimize trump and then again to win last years elections. They exhorted the democrat's version of the tea party, and so like the tea party it was inevitably self destructive. A movement that's ostensibly about opposing Trump has instead empowered hatred of jews, white males, socialists, communists, etc. Its resulted in absurdities like the green new deal and violence like the james hodgkinson shooting.

Now we've got the insane scenario where far-left democrats are unironically saying 'Criticism of Ilhan Omar's provable scandals based on their facts is islamophobic, but employing anti-semitic tropes to criticize Israel is not anti-semitic'
and lets not forget to juxtapose them amending their bill to denounce 'all hatred' instead of just anti-semitism, and not singling out Omar- with how they bristled self-righteously at "all lives matter"

They deserve to reap all their rewards. I hope republicans mercilessly exploit the division. This is a far more corrosive and vitriolic extreme than the republican's tea party ever amounted to. A bunch of yokels screaming about taxes with a few racists in their midst calling Michelle Obama an ape, doesn't really bother me as much as legions of anti-semites excusing the likes of farrakhan and sarsour, sympathizing with terrorists, trying to disband ICE and destroy Israel entirely.
This is why I am no longer a democrat. I liked the moderates, the pragmatists, even when they were so often wrong as Obama was. My hopes for the party died in a forest outside eveleth, my cynical compromise withered and failed and now the nuts run the nuthouse. Fuck'em


Democrats suck and they need shaking up. Even if it costs elections. The parties have had the same leadership for ages now. Gotta put term limits in Congress or something. Nothing against Pelosi and McConnel but I'm tired of looking at them.

Even if they're the less evil party they still suck.

I'm ready for these young people to rock the boat. I also agree with the congresswoman that it is strange that people are only allowed to talk about certain dual loyalties and not others.

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Mar 6 2019 07:32pm
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While AOC is certainly making headlines more often than her other freshman counterparts, she is not alone in being on the progressive side of the on-going divide.


I do not understand the point of this post. Bernie wasn't alone either. So what? What new information are you giving me? I'm looking at democratic props, and how far they have gone to divide the democratic party.

Please elaborate.
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Mar 6 2019 07:36pm
Regarding event related in OP, which is not a complete split, democrats are divided in 3 groups

- establishment (which is including those supporting neo-zionists & related agressive policies)
- neutrals (who shut up to not conflict with the ones above and to lose various support)
- progressives aka AOC (who are opening their mouth at their own risk)

Neutrals are shutting it up UNTIL progressive take the lead, then it will swap.
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Mar 6 2019 07:55pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Mar 6 2019 05:32pm)
I do not understand the point of this post. Bernie wasn't alone either. So what? What new information are you giving me? I'm looking at democratic props, and how far they have gone to divide the democratic party.

Please elaborate.


Because if the entire thread, and the topic which it's about, can be summarized as "AOC" by you, then I can't help but feel that that view is both myopic and the antithesis of what this thread is about as it relates to political discourse.

It's reductive.
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Mar 6 2019 08:04pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Mar 6 2019 06:55pm)
Because if the entire thread, and the topic which it's about, can be summarized as "AOC" by you, then I can't help but feel that that view is both myopic and the antithesis of what this thread is about as it relates to political discourse.

It's reductive.


It's not reductive, it's the entire point.

AOC is the very tip of the Progressive agenda. She is the ultimate winner, based on the progressive stack.

The actual divide in the democratic party is not based on policy, it's based on ideology.

Those who believe in progressivisim are throwing everyone who does not believe to the wolves.

And the worst part, if you really think about it, is that those who's purity scales are at the highest, tend to be the most likely to be involved in crime.

I say AOC, because this person is now under federal investigation and very likely may well end up in jail, yet all the democrats running for president gave support for her green new deal, which would bankrupt the nation.

The idea that the silent majority of democrats will get loud just as soon as the progressives gain power? Hasn't happened and won't happen. The bottom line is that the farther left it goes, the more support the democratic party LOSES, and the more of a bubble it becomes.

The democratic party survived the slavery it created a war over to try to retain. The democratic party survived it's failed attempts to suppress black vote and segregation. The democratic party has survived shit that even a navy SEAL couldn't survive, and now... We've found out what may burst it's bubble. In an attempt to gather more support, it has embraced socialists and communists. And now those people are coming to power and showing the entire fucking platform what a joke it is.

I AM a moderate. Socialism and Communism are so far god damned left that even the tea party patriots are moderate. And I'm far more moderate than those assholes.
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#17
Mar 6 2019 08:05pm
This country is doomed until the neocons and neoliberals lose.

But not sure far left regressive "liberals" is any better.

Same thing with right wing side.

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#18
Mar 6 2019 08:07pm
Is it me or is antisemitism nearly extinct on the mainstream right - both domestically and abroad, yet it seems to be thriving and lurking on the left not only in the US, but places like UK, France & others?
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Mar 6 2019 08:12pm
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Is it me or is antisemitism nearly extinct on the mainstream right - both domestically and abroad, yet it seems to be thriving and lurking on the left not only in the US, but places like UK, France & others?


I wouldn't say it's extinct on the right. However, the far left is where you'll find strong opposition to Israel with respect to its treatment of Palestinians, and sometimes this includes antisemitism, and other times criticism of Israel is unfairly conflated with antisemitism.
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Mar 6 2019 08:14pm
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Is it me or is antisemitism nearly extinct on the mainstream right - both domestically and abroad, yet it seems to be thriving and lurking on the left not only in the US, but places like UK, France & others?


Mainstream right , not at all. Right wing nationalism or far right wing libertarianism , very much jew hating is the bread and butter and no one does it better.
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