Quote (Djunior @ 4 Jun 2023 18:00)

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My guess is that's going to happen (full mobilization)

Quote (ferdia @ 4 Jun 2023 16:56)

To my mind Ukraine in Nato is a complete non-runner for Russia. I firmly believe that Russia will never return the land that they stole and the borders dictated last year will now be extended (this means Russia will claim more land off Ukraine).
To my mind the Ukrainian government will not negotiate with Russia unless forced to do so by a US withdrawal which is also very unlikely to occur.

There is no alternative narrative in western main stream media which suggests peace in Ukraine (without pre-conditions). Instead it is a case of with us or against us, or peace on our terms (when your losing you dont set the terms unfortunately). This comes across as very naive / self righteous / ego driven at the expensive of normal Ukrainians. I see no end in sight other then the complete collapse of the Ukrainian army. Ultimately for Russia to be successful they will need to mobilize more men, and move on Kyiv. I dont see a move on Kyiv this year so the war will drag on to next year and beyond.

^hamsterbaby there is no way that the US will countenance a Chinese cease fire in Ukraine, or anyone's ceasefire. They dictate the terms, they will not be dictated to.

Quote (ferdia @ 4 Jun 2023 17:06)

^Prox1m1ty and ^meanwhile you will both be happy to know you are both now blocked. forever.

Quote (Meanwhile @ 4 Jun 2023 16:41)

So Ukraine still preparing for a counter-offensive on south-south-east ?

destabilization
listen russian media
both sides
u.s imperialism

"OK"


What's funny is that if he's not comprimised or dishonest he's just simply irresponsible.
https://russiavsworld.org/mick-wallace-mep-from-ireland-who-loves-russia-so-much-and-china-too/
Better to prepare for Tiananmen Square Massacre anniversary

Quote (Djunior @ Jun 4 2023 10:00am)

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My guess is that's going to happen (full mobilization)

Quote (Djunior @ Jun 4 2023 10:04am)

So, according to you those Western policies were bad but Western Ukraine policies are good?

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jun 4 2023 05:08pm)

Even if we hadn't supported Ukraine and Russia had folded Ukraine in a few days or a few weeks, this operation still would have been a disaster for them.

The reason is pretty simple. Russia's population pyramid is absolutely fucked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia

Check how the births rapidly drop off in the 90's around the collapse of the USSR. Their human labor power is dwindling, and these military operations are just draining it further, and even if they had annexxed Ukraine it wouldn't have changed anything because they have the same drop off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine

Even if Russia got everything it ever wanted from this conflict, it would have just made things worse.



Now look at the reality of the situation, and how Russia has sent so many of its young men into the meat grinder, and imagine how much worse it's going to be if they do a full mobilization. They are just fucking themselves even harder in the long term the longer they let this conflict go for. They have orders of magnitude more to lose from continuing than they could hope to gain.

Quote (Djunior @ Jun 4 2023 10:12am)

You went from the sanctions destroyed them (wrong, sanctions were designed to isolate them and it failed)

To: They're gonna be fucked eventually in 500 years time because of ermmmm there population pyramid!11!!1!

lol

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jun 4 2023 04:09pm)

Yes, because you have to look at these things individually instead of just painting a broad brush and calling it all bad.

The USA and NATO do bad things and good things sometimes. Supporting Ukraine is a good thing. Iraq and Afghanistan were bad things.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jun 4 2023 05:09pm)

Yes, because you have to look at these things individually instead of just painting a broad brush and calling it all bad.

The USA and NATO do bad things and good things sometimes. Supporting Ukraine is a good thing. Iraq and Afghanistan were bad things.

Quote (ferdia @ 4 Jun 2023 23:15)

What is your definition of good ? If Russia invaded Ukraine, unprovoked (that is to say, Ukraine had not been committing genocide on its own ethnic minorities, and the West had not been the hand that overthrew the government in 2014) surely the west should have sent troops to Ukraine immediately, and Biden should have told Putin "If you invade Ukraine we are in WW3". The fact that Biden instead said "do what you want with Ukraine, we wont send troops" surely tells us something ( I am happy for people to read w/e they will into that ).

It just smells that Biden said that the west would not send troops to Ukraine.