Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 4 2023 09:02am)
Instruct Ukraine to negotiate a ceasefire in return for NATO membership and guarantees.
I'd be down with this. Starting terms be that borders return to 2013 state, Ukraine joins NATO, Ukraine is allowed to have nuclear weapons contingent on approval from NATO countries, and sanctions are lifted on Russia.
The problem I have with most people saying "Ukraine should negotiate with Russia" is that they have always been willing to negotiate. Russia's terms for starting negotiation is that they keep captured territory and concede nothing, which isn't so much a negotiation as it's Russia saying "here are our terms accept them or don't".
Liberals and leftists screaming about "end the war" totally ignore that and it's pretty frustrating how brain dead they can be. Their heads are shoved up their own ass they think anything NATO does is terrible by definition even when the actions are unambiguously good.This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jun 4 2023 08:33am