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Jun 4 2023 08:23am
So now it's a proper time to bring napalm and agent orange to Ukraine?
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Jun 4 2023 08:27am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jun 4 2023 04:13pm)
Ukraine happened because Putin invaded Ukraine. What fucking planet are you living on?

Moron.


Failed to quote me

Was my question too hard for you? --> It would've been better to prevent the war, yes or no?

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Jun 4 2023 08:33am
Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 4 2023 09:02am)
Instruct Ukraine to negotiate a ceasefire in return for NATO membership and guarantees.


I'd be down with this. Starting terms be that borders return to 2013 state, Ukraine joins NATO, Ukraine is allowed to have nuclear weapons contingent on approval from NATO countries, and sanctions are lifted on Russia.

The problem I have with most people saying "Ukraine should negotiate with Russia" is that they have always been willing to negotiate. Russia's terms for starting negotiation is that they keep captured territory and concede nothing, which isn't so much a negotiation as it's Russia saying "here are our terms accept them or don't".

Liberals and leftists screaming about "end the war" totally ignore that and it's pretty frustrating how brain dead they can be. Their heads are shoved up their own ass they think anything NATO does is terrible by definition even when the actions are unambiguously good.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jun 4 2023 08:33am
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Jun 4 2023 08:40am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jun 4 2023 04:33pm)
I'd be down with this. Starting terms be that borders return to 2013 state, Ukraine joins NATO, Ukraine is allowed to have nuclear weapons contingent on approval from NATO countries, and sanctions are lifted on Russia.

The problem I have with most people saying "Ukraine should negotiate with Russia" is that they have always been willing to negotiate. Russia's terms for starting negotiation is that they keep captured territory and concede nothing, which isn't so much a negotiation as it's Russia saying "here are our terms accept them or don't".

Liberals and leftists screaming about "end the war" totally ignore that and it's pretty frustrating how brain dead they can be. Their heads are shoved up their own ass they think anything NATO does is terrible by definition even when the actions are unambiguously good.



So you're saying that Russia must except that they're gonna lose Sevastopol and Ukraine is going to be a NATO member. Good plan dude, will definitely work /s
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Jun 4 2023 08:41am
So Ukraine still preparing for a counter-offensive on south-south-east ?

Quote (ferdia @ 4 Jun 2023 11:35)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJNjd5XOsG4
here you go ^meanwhile another video from the guy you trash.


destabilization
listen russian media
both sides
u.s imperialism

"OK"


What's funny is that if he's not comprimised or dishonest he's just simply irresponsible.
https://russiavsworld.org/mick-wallace-mep-from-ireland-who-loves-russia-so-much-and-china-too/
Better to prepare for Tiananmen Square Massacre anniversary
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Jun 4 2023 08:42am
Quote (Djunior @ Jun 4 2023 09:40am)
So you're saying that Russia must except that they're gonna lose Sevastopol and Ukraine is going to be a NATO member. Good plan dude, will definitely work /s


*accept


and they don't have to accept anything. They're in a situation where they are losing far more by continuing the conflict than NATO or Ukraine is, so it's in their best interest to come to the table and negotiate in good faith and concede that they are in a weaker position.
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Jun 4 2023 08:46am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jun 4 2023 04:13pm)
Ukraine happened because Putin invaded Ukraine. What fucking planet are you living on?

Moron.



Your opinion is worth less than nothing. Your a self serving enabler.



Sure, and if Russia had won a decisive military advantage I would most likely support that idea. Russia has lost the majority of key battles.

If anything it would be Russia looking to negotiate after its military failure, but we know that would mean curtains for Vlad.


Do you know thé word "provocation" ?

When people agressing all Time the same person , this person Can hit , you know ?
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Jun 4 2023 08:49am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jun 4 2023 04:42pm)
*accept


and they don't have to accept anything. They're in a situation where they are losing far more by continuing the conflict than NATO or Ukraine is, so it's in their best interest to come to the table and negotiate in good faith and concede that they are in a weaker position.


Feeling the need to point out a typo shows that you're aware of your (bad) position

OF COURSE they're not going to accept your "peace plan" which is basically a "NATO wins and you back off and shut the fuck up" plan
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Jun 4 2023 08:55am
Quote (Djunior @ Jun 4 2023 09:49am)
Feeling the need to point out a typo shows that you're aware of your (bad) position

OF COURSE they're not going to accept your "peace plan" which is basically a "NATO wins and you back off and shut the fuck up" plan


Like I said, it's on them. They are in the weaker position so it would be in their best interest to shut the fuck up and make concessions.

But if they don't want to that's fine. It's a fraction of our budget to keep supporting Ukraine, and Ukraine is still able and willing to fight.

Ultimately it's between Russia and Ukraine. We aren't demanding Ukraine concedes anything or keeps going. Just giving Ukraine a better footing.
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Jun 4 2023 08:55am
Quote (bogie160 @ 4 Jun 2023 22:02)
Instruct Ukraine to negotiate a ceasefire in return for NATO membership and guarantees.


I think it is impossible.

Maybe the other way round , instruct and use China or together with China to negotiate, if need coerce Russia into a ceasefire or cold peace and release some lands back to Ukraine hands
in return for Non NATO Membership and guarantees but a fast track proposal for EU membership.

This is possible but chances are less than 5 %
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