so, what laws that heiko maas wrote were these raids based on? seriously, you're projecting hard here - it's completely acceptable if you don't get the nuances of the german justice system, but insisting that one guy writes our laws, single-handedly decides what's right and wrong, and then the judges and courts decide according to his intentions is outright retarded... you're flat out wrong, and that's that. deflect and project all you want, but this is just right wing panic rhetoric, trying to protect racial, violence inciting bigotry...



what "serious repercussions" are you talking about? elaborate plz.
looks like a butthurt blanket statement of someone who's utterly clueless what these "restrictions on speech" are targeting and what kind of people were "victims" of these raids. and "clueless" is the best possible case here, maybe inform yourself, look up the details, and then tell me if you want to defend those kind of ppl...
except ofc you're one of those extremists who support ppl like that left wing loon who got arrested for making threats against your orange emperor. if you say that's just "freedom of speech", and whoever supports arresting that guy is a "nazi" then sure, in that case you'd have a point...



interesting point, thanks for contributing. make sure to keep providing such insightful posts to our discussions...

Heinrich emotionally fabricating claims that im "utterly clueless" and a number of other things because hes mad I called him on his shit again/10

cumbob fleeing to fantasyland yet again to avoid the topic completely... why am i not surprised that you didn't even try to address the topic and went straight to your usual alternative reality routine?

posted again for relevance
according to some that dwell in Dresden or Mainz (most notably fender aka Heinrich von Goebbels, Kaiser Schutzstaffel), having your home raided by police for arguing on the internet isn't a serious issue or repercussion.

Im not "avoiding the topic".
you are talking out of your ass to make yourself feel better about me disagreeing with you. What i say matters less because im supposedly "clueless" and an "extremist" who must not know what im talking about, despite nothing in my response indicating that.
Not addressing your delusions and false assumptions in depth =/= avoiding the topic

The 'serious repercussions' being implemented, threatened and proposed are a matter of public record. Available in numerous news articles about the issue.
They just raided homes and arrested a bunch of people and are threatening massive fines for social media companies not taking down speech they dont like fast enough.
You'd like to pretend its all just like stopping credible death threats that are illegal in America too, but it ranges far beyond that.
Its part of a wider campaign to stop "hate speech". These arent the first raids either.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Jun 22 2017 03:42pm

i was not referring to the raids themselves, I was referring to the censorship that IMHO is being expanded under Maas. and yes, heiko maas is all the time talking about shutting down "hate speech" online, about making the posters of racism on social media accountable, and if that doesnt work, lets make facebook and co accountable for what their users are writing, and so on. and lets not forget that this is not all talk, he is currently trying to get his "netzwerkdurchsuchungsgesetz" (english: network scanning law) through parliament. this bill, if it were to become law in its current form, would a ) outsource censorship of social media from the courts towards the social media sites themselves and b ) incentivise massive 'overblocking' by threatening fines of up to 50 million € to the social media sites which dont delete those posts fast enough that are considered "hate speech".

heiko maas is, through his words and actions, creating an environment in which it is blatantly obvious to all bodies of law enforcement that their bosses boss wants to see an intensified fight against so-called hate speech.
if his "netzwerkdurchsuchungsgesetz" passes, it is the most severe attack on freedom of speech that germany has seen since wwII. and once those things turn into law, courts will have to follow the guidelines on what constitutes hate speech that are given out by his justice department.

needless to mention that heiko maas has repeatedly shown his sympathy for left-wing extremist groups. he once liked a left-wing extremist punk band which is surveilled by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution. his son is a member of the german antifa. he congratulated left-wing activists who blocked a march by right-wing activists via unlawful means. maybe excusable for the minister of agriculture or something, but certainly not for the head of the justice department. in general, he is constantly barking against right-wing activists and the threat from the right side of the political spectrum, but at the same time barely ever says a word about left-wing extremism and crimes, or about islamistic terrorists.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 22 2017 03:51pm

We just convicted a girl for manslaughter for saying some things.

Stopping nazi-fueled speech in Germany might not be a bad idea either after last time.

Fuck that is scary...

"speech they don't like" - cute attempt. anyway, feel free to pick out one of those numerous news articles and show me which case, which raid was unjustified in your opinion, should be easy enough with so many articles about the issue. if your opinion should surprisingly be based on some real knowledge for a change, i'd happily discuss the case with you, and why you think such speech should be protected (expecting the slippery slope here ofc because i strongly suspect you don't want to go on record with your real opinion) and why i might disagree (or maybe even agree in a particular cases - our system is ofc far from perfect)... otherwise it's EXACTLY what you are so desperately trying to project here: a clue- and baseless talking point concerning freedom of speech, barely hidden behind some commonplaces and blanket statements, driven by alt-right propaganda narratives and personal butthurt towards me...



according to some bigoted overweight trumpshills that spend their whole day in front of a computer screen, inciting racial violence should not be a punishable offense. fortunately i don't live in a world where that kind of rhetoric is "just free speech", while criticising a lying sack of shit is "fake news"...

here we go again with more unfounded degenerate assumptions and stories.
How generous of you to deign to my level if I fulfill your requirements and play into your delusions and insults before you provide anything of substance or class yourself.